I still can’t believe they tried to stop this from being adopted because better designs are woke now apparently
Look, let’s be honest. Any change is “woke.” There is this imaginary world that existed 80 years ago that they want to get back to, that was all sunshine and surplus, and they think that any change, particularly progressive change, is bad and “woke.”
Edit: so I realized what instance I was in and that this isn’t the appropriate place for that rant. So I will just say that I really appreciate the changes that are being made to flags, because it seems like the people coming up with the flags in the first place didn’t really get it.
Is there alot of bees there?
Since you haven’t received a serious answer yet…
Utah is self reffered to as the Beehive State because Brigham Young originally wanted to name it “Deseret” from the Book of Mormon. “Deseret” in LDS teachings means “Honeybee”. This was meant to show that the Mormon settlers were hardworking, industrious, and self reliant.
This obviously didn’t fly for a ton of reasons and they didn’t have much of a choice after the Union Army basically chased them halfway across the country and then took a foothold right alongside them in the territory to make sure they didn’t establish a Theocratic state.
to make sure they didn’t establish a Theocratic state.
Another Big L for the US military
Wait, you support a theocratic state?
Have you been to Utah? It is a theocracy.
As a resident of Utah, I fucking better if I’m running for an elected office
Doesn’t article 6 of the constitution atleast allude to a separation of church and state?
I don’t think the rest of the federation would approve of a theocratic state.
The US (and western civilization) has been a theocratic state for a long time, it simply hides in plain sight as scientism or materialism.
Deseret
Ether 2:3 And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee; and thus they did carry with them swarms of bees, and all manner of that which was upon the face of the land, seeds of every kind.
Why is the lower part in red?
It represents the blood that will be spilled in Utah’s conquest for world domination.
In all seriousness, it’s meant to evoke a rocky canyon. Additionally, the white is meant to be mountains (hence the shape), and the blue is sky.
As someone from outside the USA, I’m surprised a state flag looks this good. I dig it.
https://lemmy.world/comment/8300053
All good things in America should be treated with suspicion
It’s not uncommon to have religious symbolism in flags. 🇦🇨🇦🇫🇧🇲🇦🇺🇦🇮🇧🇻🇮🇪🇬🇧🇸🇦🇫🇮🇫🇴🇸🇪🇮🇶🏴🏴
Just a quick glance through flag emojis for some.
Love that someone downvoted this
Probably for implying that “we’re going to conquer the world for our religion that was specifically racist until 2013 and abolish the separation of church and state” is the same thing as a cross or moon.
we’re going to conquer the world for our religion that was specifically racist until 2013
It’s still plenty racist.
abolish the separation of church and state
In Utah, its functionally non-existent. You don’t win city dog catcher if the electorate thinks you’re somehow anti-Mormon. You won’t be appointed to anything, either.
the same thing as a cross or moon
Go back to when those flags were originally stitched up and you’re going to find evangelical views remarkably similar to that of modern Mormons. Religious supremacy is at the heart of virtually every major surviving world religion. Putting a big cross on your flag and going out to conquer your religious rivals goes back to Constantine the Great.
It absolutely means the same thing.
The beehive isn’t the significant religious symbol to Latter-day Saints that you think it is. Those of us not from Utah barely know about the symbol’s relationship to the history of the Church.
Wait until you hear about Islam 🇮🇶🇸🇦
I’m gonna be real with you chief, of all the things you can accuse fundamentalist Muslims of racism isn’t really one them (the faith actually demands anti-racism… For the Faithful TM), and everything else they do Mormons can match.
Weird hangups about drugs? Yup.
Patriarchal polygamy? Yeppers.
Wanting to establish a global theocracy? You know it.
Weirdly obsessed with a desert city? Damn skippy.
So, idk, seems like a pretty clear victor there on the checklist. Anti-racism zealotry is better than specifically racist zealotry.
Also, just saying, a Muslim has never tried to convert me door to door.
The faith isn’t racist. You just have to do Arab rituals, wear Arab clothing, pray in Arabic, and the only proper way to read the Qur’an is if you know Arabic. Oh and also make a pilgrimage to Arabia.
Although I do concede that Mormonism is worse with the fabrication that the mark of cain is upon non white people, and that Islam doesn’t really call for discrimination against other races.
is utah known for beekeeping or something?
When settlers first got to Utah they imported bees and brought them in to help develop and cultivate. Since then, Utah has been known as the beehive state.
That would be a logical reason for it but remember this is Utah… so no.
Bees have weird place in Mormon lore. The creepy founder created a new name for them in the Book of Mormon “Deseret”.
His successor, Brigham Young, used it as the name of country Mormons tried to establish in the west.
“It represents a theocracy ruled by the church.”
The bee symbolism used in sermons from the 1850s described the godly society the Saints strove to build.
https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/the-symbolism-of-the-beehive-in-latter-day-saint-tradition/
It’s lovely. Unlike the compromise flag that came out of Minnesota.
You’re looking at the Minnesota flag through the eyes of someone with lots of good choices who didn’t get what they want. I think there’s no doubt that the current new flag is an upgrade from the old one.
Looks like an nfl team logo. I hate how contemporary corporate design it is.
You think that’s bad, check out some of the municipal flags in Japan, especially the ones designed in the early 2000s. The ones based on old clan symbols are fine, but those other ones look like some corpo bro from the 90s commissioned designs by saying “I want it to have more radical swoosh vibes!”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipal_flags_of_Tōhoku_region
Hirosaki not changing theirs is… interesting.
I guess Buddhism is still common enough in Asia that WWII didn’t completely ruin the manji. You still see temples marked on maps with it these days.