I an so sick of the “just don’t buy it” response to people complaining about increasingly shitty practices. It’s like if someone pisses in the far side of the pool and other people decide they like the warmth so they tell you just to stay over on the far side - The pool is still tainted, and maybe next time the pool cleaners decide not to use chlorine…
It’s not that you can’t complain, but moreso that people are tired of reading about people getting ripped of over and over again.
It’s getting old when the solution is so glaringly obvious.Alternatively focus your grievances towards the company. That has a better chance of making an impact in reducing the tainted waters.
So in short: you have a right to complain, but we have a right to tell you that you are a part of the problem if you pre-order or support companies continually doing this crap.
Use a different pool where people aren’t pissing in them. They exist.
There are plenty of other games that don’t pull this shit. Play them instead.
First they did it at EA, but I didn’t say anything because I don’t play EA games. Then they did it at Ubisoft, but I didn’t say anything because I don’t play Ubisoft games. Then they did it at Blizzard, but I didn’t say anything because I don’t play Blizzard games. Then they did it at fromsoft games, but I didn’t say anything because I don’t play fromsoft games. Then they did it at supergiant games, but I didn’t say anything because I don’t play their games.
Then they did it at every other fucking company because it was industry standard.
Then they did it at every other fucking company because it was industry standard.
All you’ve listed are the big publishers. Of course THEY are going to do it. They are publicly traded company’s where they need to draw blood from a stone and pull out as much value as possible to appease their shareholders.
You’re absolutely wrong about every company doing this. It sounds like your only experience is AAA titles.
Play some indie games and you’ll see the difference. Significantly better designed games, built from passion, and without all the bullshit you see with AAA games.
Like I said find a better pool where people aren’t pissing in them. They exist.
In fairness to the complaints, there are fewer and fewer good clean pools, and they tend to be the less-and-less awesome ones.
How so? I’ve had no issues finding games to play that don’t suck
I didn’t say that there are no good games. But genres have been drowned in these microtransaction games enough that it has become disruptive. I find myself sometimes playing games that are in many ways inferior to older games because they are trying to be low-budget disruptors in a market where the high budgets are largely “filled with urine” as it were.
Look at a few companies’ recent “people are just going to have to get used to subscriptions/microtransactions” attitudes. It’s going the same way television has gone. One cannot pretend in good faith overall quality in entertainment is not going down for reasons that the decisionmakers know to be hurting the products.
I don’t understand how that comparison fits because somebody else buying the portal has literally no impact on my game. Someone pissing in the pool is directly
impacting you with their actions.I think the analogy is that it sets a precedent. Now the other companies see how you can pee in the pool and folks are either cool with it (buy) or are on the other end (not buy but meh). Now the pool standard is piss filled pool and we will never have a chance to get into a clean pool anymore.
If you want to take a swim you have to do it in a pissed soaked pool because we never complained or did anything about it.
Do you honestly believe that complaining on Lemmy counts as “doing something about it”?
I only know about this thing because of this post. I’m not going to buy it, but do you see that what you’re doing is getting the word out and doing blizzards advertising for them?
As a consumer we can use our choices where we spend to lead companies one way or the other. Spreading the word to not buy something is “doing something about it”. How effective it may be here in Lemmy, probably not very much, but it’s something.
But that’s assuming there’s only one pool. If everyone leaves for a pool without piss in it, the first will probably change their policies to not allow peeing in their pools because it drives away customers.
The problem isn’t that there’s only one pool, the problem is that not enough people seem to care enough to try a different one. Instead, they just complain about the pool they’re at, perhaps because the pool is free or it gets a lot of advertising.
So yeah, feel free to complain about it, but your time is probably better spent just going to a different pool.
The pool is the gaming industry dude, not whatever shitty little game blizzard is putting out.
No, it’s not.
I haven’t played a Blizzard game in something like 10 years. Whether they manipulate their customers has zero impact on the games I play, so I’m basically in a completely different pool from them. The way I see it, there are lots of different pools, such as:
- F2P games - has always been a cesspool, and always will be
- online multiplayer - recently turning into a cesspool
- big budget single player - generally good, though “early access” (pay extra to pay a few days really) isn’t great, but I avoid new releases generally because they’re so consistently buggy, so it’s not an issue
- indie/AA - generally great, and this is where I spend most of my time and money
I almost never play F2P or competitive online multiplayer games, so they’re essentially a completely separate pool from the games I play, which are largely single player games from smaller studios (and a few big budget single player games).
So no, it’s not one big pool, there are clear separations.
The issue is that there is only 1 industry. And the end goal of ALL developers and companies is making money. The more the better. When other pools start seeing that pissong in the pool leaves them more money, than they ALL will start designing their games around this. It is this design choice that will infect pretty much all other games. The precedent it sets affects the whole industry.
And like you said before, the only way this is not an issue is if it does not generate additional money for them so that no other pools try to imitate. And this will only happen if nobody buys them. And this post is trying to dissuade those buyers so that this does not become rampart and then all games have it.
But it’s not just one industry, unless you overly generalize.
The motivations that lead someone to buy indie games are much different than someone who mostly plays F2P competitive games, which is much different than the group that buys top end AAA games. So the marketing and profit model will be different for each. I think there are at least these logical segments:
- mobile gaming
- casual gaming (i.e. Switch)
- F2P gaming/eSports
- AAA gaming
- indie/small studio gaming
Each of those has different target demographics, and thus different “pools.”
People who decide to throw money at games with such shitty practices are part of the problem.
Yup. I loved Diablo and I’ve played it since the first one came out. I never bought the last release, though. Fuck Blizzard.
Yes, Diablo 2 was the last good Diablo game. Hate blizzard, love PoE!
I’d say they are victims of predatory practices.
Like drug addicts. You can’t expect drug addicts to take all the blame. Sooner or later you have to realize that the supplier enabling the addiction is part of the problem.
I’d say they are victims of predatory practices.
That is a very good point regarding children and mentally challenged people. It does not excuse responsible adults though.
Like drug addicts. You can’t expect drug addicts to take all the blame. Sooner or later you have to realize that the supplier enabling the addiction is part of the problem.
That is not the most fitting comparison in my opinion. I think the solution for the drug problem is legalization of all drugs, free access to rehabilitation combined with thorough education and abuse prevention.
To some people, $30 is chump change and they’ll gladly part with it for some glitter. The whole microtransaction business relies on those people as “whales” and you can’t really ask people to “stop paying so much” if they don’t even mind the amount they’re paying
No, I love them. They pay so I don’t have to.
That may be true if you’re into some F2P/gacha stuff, but not in a full-price game. These people just encourage more enshitification. Diablo used to have no microtransactions and was arguably a lot better too.
How does this ruin the game?
They dont bother making full new expansions. They make half an expansion, and spend twice the time and money making in-game store items.
Youre paying full price for less game and some pretty store windows to walk past.
And with every expansion, less game and more store is made. At least the whales get more content, youre getting even less than that.
I think the issue here is people knew Diablo 4 was filled with monetization, season passes, cosmetic items etc and they bought it anyway and are complaining about it after the fact. The correct way to respond to sleazy companies is to take your business somewhere else. Reward games for being good, not for being cash grabs.
Blizzard literally became so shitty I can’t waited for Microsoft to take over and clean house.
MS haven’t bought them to clean them up.
They bought them because they’re already the level of shitty they’re aiming for.
“Clean house” feels optimistic. Standard procedure for a buy out:
- Executives are retained or let go with generous packages
- Middle management is summarily executed
- Someone sorts a spreadsheet of developers by salary and lays off the highest paid (and sometimes best, though no telling when we’re talking about these two garbage fires)
- Remaining developers are shuffled. Some are asked to move to teams that are doing wildly different things than what they were doing before. Some teams are filled with lower cost “resources” from other countries.
Nice description of enshittification from behind the scenes.
This is why corporations shouldn’t be able to buy each other! Try that shit out as a model you fucking whores.
who needs D4 or their cosmetics? I’m just waiting for Crate to release the new Grim Dawn Expansion, will probably be cheaper than that recolor too lol
Hwhat
An expansion coming?
Yes, it’s called Fangs of Asterkarn
I think I saw they said there is another update coming. Not sure how much actual content there is though. They specifically noted it’s not an expansion / DLC. Just an update.
Nope, a Full Expansion is in the works!
Last epoch 1.0 - 21 February!
They’re taking their upcoming DLC’s name “Vessel of Hatred” too literally.
Right now. Somewhere on Earth. Someone. Is currently purchasing Diablo 4.
P.T Barnums every second a sucker is born quote comes to mind.
It’s on sale!
It’s probably worth 40 bucks
And they have to live with the shame.
and Palworld
cept palworld is actually good and worth its price
I went to buy a Goal Explosion in Rocket League yesterday. Purely cosmetic item. $25. No thanks.
That’s an excellent analogy, to say “you can buy palworld for that” which really makes it hit different for me.
It shows you how absurd it is, even with it being optional. It’s still absurd.
Most people could buy palworld if they just cooked their own food instead of ordering.
Pretty silly to start saying this with Diablo really, when we can do the same with so many other products and services as well, Ofc it’s really silly to charge 30 for a digital paintjob. But im not gonna police what other people do with their own money.
They worked for it. They spend it.
Someone could give me a billion for a Booger. Would be their right but would make them an idiot aswell.
The cosmetic skin prices in D4 are absolutely laughable, and the fact that they can only be used with ONE class make it even more bonkers.
This may be an unpopular opinion but as I see it most of D4s microtransactions are fine (still a trash game but that’s a different point). They’re mostly just cosmetics. They only exist so that people who want to can throw money at the company. If you don’t want to buy them then just don’t buy them. Like this portal recolor one. Sure it’s $30 but it isn’t like there is any advantage to buying it. It’s not giving you faster warps to town or more xp or anything like that. It’s only there for you to throw money at blizzard and have a graphic showing that you threw money at blizzard. If you don’t want to throw $30 at blizzard for no gain then don’t throw $30 at blizzard for no gain. If a bunch of whales want to throw away their money on cosmetics then let them.
The dev time spent on garbage micro transactions could be spent on making a good game.
In addition to that jimquisition that another user commented, remember that its easy to say “it doesnt affect me if i dont buy it” but people do buy it. Some people spend silly money on cosmetics and if people keep dojng that then it encourages game companies to spend less time on making the games good and more time on pumping out cosmetics.
The proof is in tbe pudding. Games are mostly shit now.
These are massive companies whos sole aim is to make money, not entertaining games. They dont care, they will just follow the money.
There’s a number of reasons that “it’s just cosmetic” is bullshit.
- Developer time and effort is limited. More effort on cosmetics is less time on other things.
- “free” cosmetics will intentionally be made worse than premium ones to drive conversions.
- the game loses the ability to reward impressive feats with cosmetics, as that harms sales.
- a non-zero amount of your time is spent being driven to purchase cosmetics.