Se [Fabiano] aprendesse qualquer coisa, necessitaria aprender mais, e nunca ficaria satisfeito.
But if they blow up every house, there’ll plenty of housing to be built later on by EU companies. That’s basically the same thing, right? That’s what the citizens want, right?
Please elaborate on what’s wrong with the article. Proclaiming “biased bias” and quoting mystical nameless “mainstream scholars” ain’t scientific.
And also explain who those Russian vacationers are who managed to singlehandedly declare two independent republics and a separatist movement. Might as well give me your Fantasyland timeline of the war against the DPR and LPR, because you are quite vague in everything you say and I can’t read your mind.
I assume you didn’t read the second one, about your claim over the snipers. Go back and read again. And who started the Donbas war?
Cool, now it seems you’re up to speed and are now aware that Ukraine already existed before 2022 and that it didn’t all start because of Russia randomly. Now read these too.
fire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes
snipers: https://brill.com/view/journals/rupo/8/2/article-p181_5.xml
Do your thing, reply guy!
And nothing happened before that that involved people being killed?
directly from the wikipedia page:
In February and March 2014, Russia invaded and subsequently annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine. This event took place in the relative power vacuum on the immediate aftermath of the Revolution of Dignity and was the beginning act of the wider Russo-Ukrainian War.
Come on, study a bit. Have another one. When did this whole thing start again?
I usually don’t link wikipedia because I assume it’s beneath the level of interest and knowledge of people on forums, but you clearly have some homework you need to do. So here:
I usually don’t spring that one on them because I’m pretty sure that a lot of Ukraine enjoyers don’t actually know about the Donbas war. It’d be a while to explain, so I try to meet them in the middle a bit, but yes, that would have been the absolute best decision back in 2014.
We don’t need to know what “bad” means, right? Ukraine is bad due to some magical inherent property, not because of instituting drafts and migration bans, right? I am of the position that the war (which wasn’t necessarily unprovoked to begin) wasn’t the main cause of those things I am criticising, the government proposing those is the one at fault. I think that framing is at least a bit more complete than just “Ukraine bad.”
And never mind calling critical people Russian apologists, like one can’t hold critical views of both sides of a conflict.
Even though we don’t agree on these things, I think that’s a nice thing of you to say. Thanks!
Enjoy watching Mother Russia get decimated by secondhand weapons that were mothballed in a wearhouse.
Please don’t deny reality just because it’s uncomfortable to your genocidal desires.
Russia has been holding strong to the land for about an year now, and it seems the Ukrainian counter-offensive didn’t work as advertised. Nobody should be enjoying anything in this war, including your imagined situation of Russian obliteration, but thankfully that is only your sadistic thoughts and not reality. This war needs to end ASAP, or what we will actually see is just even more of what we’re already seeing, a lot of suffering and death of both Russians and Ukrainians (but mostly Ukrainians) for absolutely nothing.
AFAIK there was no such vote, but even if there was it would not have counted the separatist regions of Donbas. That’s the main issue with this war, it was already ongoing in some form long before Russia invaded last year, going on since around 2014. Since the invasion, the government has also declared there will be no elections and started banning or even arresting the opposition (like the communist party).
The situation of democracy in Ukraine right now is incredibly shaky at best, which is why a lot of people (like me) criticise the government a lot. I understand that it’d be hard to have a referendum on the initial marshal law, but banning all adult men from even emigrating, and sometimes sending those who try to escape anyway back to the front, is to me a serious abuse by the government. IIRC During the start of the war, they also relied a lot on volunteers for the military, but now they’ve turned a lot to drafting civilians, which doesn’t bode well for how many people actually want to fight. But it’s really hard to get proper statistical data from Ukraine due to the aforementioned marshal law.
Being in the military reserve myself against my will, I deeply believe that nobody should be forced into military service. Not only does it sound really inefficient to have uninterested personnel, but it also is a gigantic breach on a person’s rights and can mentally and physically scar them for life, not to mention the risk of death.
Usually, yeah, reading and investigation is the main basis for getting informed. Specially for something so far away. How do you get “informed”? Through sheer willpower and thought?
It’s the Sargon of Akkad tactic of screaming “I don’t care!” while inserting themselves into every single conversation. Somehow they seem to think their dumb uninformed opinions are always equally worthy of merit despite doing zero homework. If you look into the thread, you’ll notice most people didn’t even read the article.
fr fr you got me there, I’m so owned lmao
Russian imperialism, there you go.
Wow, I had never considered before that Russia might be in the war. \s
Yeah, if you see every geopolitical conflict this simplistically, you’ll often find that the exact group you already dislike is the cause of all your problems. There’s no other way this could’ve gone, the moment Putin got in power we could already all predict that Zelensky would be elected and that his government would ban all men aged 18 to 60 from fleeing the conflict. It was also similarly inevitable that there would be mass conscriptions not only for war but also for work. Tangentially nobody but Putin had any impact on whether Azov would be formed or on the war against the Donbas separatists.
This was all solely the fault of a single group and nothing anybody else could’ve done. Come on now, child, you know that politics is not as simple as that. And if you think I somehow think that “Russia good,” because I criticise the other side of the war, you might need to read some history of bourgeois wars. It’s a reactionary liberal bourgeois country, just like the USA, but much smaller, less entrenched, and with some opposing interests, if you want my opinion on them. It’s not really relevant though.
Yes, that’s the prime determinant of the current situation.
So could Ukraine not find other solutions to their present crises? Off the top of my head, accepting Russia’s ceasefire requests, letting their civilians leave and not demanding that every worker also present their conscription documents in order to work, all sound like pretty good initiatives to combat the labour shortage. But no, obviously the Ukrainian govt has no agency on their own country and it’s all only in Russia’s court.
Ukrainian government is still fighting for the existence of the Ukrainian state and against genocide of the Ukrainian identity.
No they aren’t. The Ukraine state has had it’s existence guaranteed by Russia so long as they concede defeat and allow the independence of the eastern separatists. Besides that, just also not joining NATO. Russia has shown very little interest in annexing the entirety of Ukraine and the Ukrainian identity is safe and sound within the conscript dictatorship of Ukraine. If anything, the NATO puppet government probably has more Ukrainian blood on their hands than Russia for insisting on this lost war for the past 1 year.
But do spell it out then. How is Ukraine’s draft only Russia’s fault, with no responsibility for it at the Ukrainian government’s/NATO’s feet? I’d be happy to hear it.
I don’t follow. Yes, they are at war. How does that justify labour conscriptions and banning fleeing? I do care about people not dying and having dignity, you see. But sending teenagers into slaughter or forcing them to work to that same slaughter industry doesn’t help anybody. It is basically a self-genocide by the Ukrainian government. No wonder that it started as a war against eastern Ukrainians.
Who here exactly defends genocide when the only thing I want in this war is for the suicidal tactics of the Ukrainian government to pause for a second so that civilians can flee and live better lives elsewhere? But you don’t care about that, you’re a liberal who will justify every war crime from your favourite North Atlantic countries and their puppet governments, under the guise of empathy.
See, 2 can play that game of ad hominem. Answer the question: “How is this not comparable to a modern slave state?”
Care to elaborate? AFAIK, forced labour under the threat of harm and no conditions for escape fits very well into most modern definitions of slavery. But go on, why should I support Ukraine despite this?
Scraping data is now “hacking”. Every single computer science department will have to close its doors and surrender their research datasets to the police.