Reminder that Microsoft is trying to shift Windows to be entirely cloud based, so this can easily happen overnight without your consent. You don’t own your OS. Linux is the only way, unless you’re one of those strange BSD folks.
Ik this is sarcastic but the video games issue is real regardless of Proton and its derivatives on Linux. Windows really is the best way to game right now
I feel that this very much depnd on which games you’re playing. Competitive or Roblox, Windows is the better choice. Majority of the games I play though works without any issues on Linux.
I’ve heard that some games even are faster on Linux even when running proton buy it isn’t anything I’ve myself has investigated.
Gaming is one of my main intrests and I’ve been playing on Linux for at least ten years. It’s not for everyone I guess.
It’s great that it works for what you play, but it doesn’t for me. Hopefully the steamdeck train continues to pick up steam, because it’s pretty much the only reason Linux gaming is gaining ground.
Unfortunately yes, a month or so Roblox actively blocked Linux än VM:s. They claimed it is only temporarily until their new client is stable so that they can evaluate the results for windows first. General consensus seems to be that could just as well just filtered the results considering that they are able to block Linux all together.
I haven’t checked it out for a couple of weeks though so I don’t know if a workaround has been found. It’s annoying though because Roblox worked perfectly before that. I would have loved to migrate my kids computer’s to Linux as well since I got problems with rage every time I try to fix things on them 😅
There’s many different reasons (all of them ignorant or blatantly made in bad faith) but one that I recall off the top of my head is that, since Linux gives users more freedom and more control over their operating system and computer, playing on Linux makes it easier for you to cheat in games. They like that in Windows, there’s parts of the system that Microsoft simply doesn’t allow users to touch, because in some cases, they still can, so they can use that to implement things like rootkits sorry I mean “kernel-level anti-cheat” that users have no effective way of removing or bypassing.
I have always found this argument disingenuous. Cheaters still find a way. At the end of the day, if you don’t want cheaters, then play games with people you trust.
It’s not even ignorant, it’s straight up removed. Windows might have 100x users than Linux but the number of cheats on windows is way higher than that.
That may be the case to some extent but the overall Linux playerbase for a lot of games is still super low. These studios don’t want to offer support and potentially have to troubleshoot for operating systems that only 1.4% of PC gamers are using (in the case of Steam survey). That number has been growing at a better pace recently, which is a good sign though.
That being said I wish it was different. Seeing some Anti-cheat developers (EAC and BattlEye) working with Valve to make the anti cheat side of things work properly under Proton over the past couple years gives me hope yet. If enough of that keeps happening then more users will be willing to switch and the market share can convince publishers that it’s worth it to at least target Proton compatibility, which some studios/publishers have been doing more often since the Steam Deck dropped.
I went fulltime Linux and therefor bought a full AMD system (better drivers) one year ago. I played about 15 games the last year, some of them AAA titles, rarely had problems, and all of them could be fixed by looking on protondb.com (unless the problems came from the game itself of course).
There are some titles which will not support Linux on purpose although it surely would run just fine, for whatever reasons, e.g. fortnite.
Yeah that’s been my experience, but that won’t be the case for everyone. I mostly play singleplayer games, only a few multiplayer games, so it makes sense that I don’t have issues. But for someone who plays lots of multiplayer games, it wouldn’t work.
My setup is I have my gaming rig with a 4080 running Windows, then I turned my old PC gaming rig into an unRAID server. It’s a fully automated piracy machine running Plex. I just tell it what I want to download on my website.
What games are problematic on Linux these days? I’ve been Linux only for since Windows 7 server went EoL, and have had shockingly few problems, particularly in the last year or so. The few things that have been problematic with Proton work fine with GloriousEggroll.
I do all my gaming in Linux. Yeah there’s some games i really wanted to play that don’t work in Linux, but there are so many games i can’t hope to play them all anyway.
I made the jump several years ago to full Linux and never looked back. I game a bunch, built my own custom PC’s for years. Linux has been great, and gaming on it has become fantastic.
The Steam Deck has helped push it even further, at this point I don’t really check if games run on Linux, I assume they do and 95% of the time I’m right.
The few games that flat out don’t run because of Anti-Cheat, I either wait until they are eventually supported, (Dead by Daylight, cough) or I just give them up. It isn’t worth it to me to sacrifice my freedom, privacy, and consumer rights just to play a certain video game when there are literally 10’s of thousands of games out there that I could play that run perfectly fine on Linux.
Are you saying the video game complaint isn’t real? You have a solution? 90% of my personal PC use is gaming, otherwise anything I used to use my PC for is done with my phone.
Until Linux can support my entire steam library, I don’t see why I’d bother.
I wish that was the only thing. I work in science/engineering and lots of software that control equipment are only windows.
There are options like using virtual machines, but it’s way to cumbersome and prone to errors, you don’t want a measurement that took half a day get ruined because of a stupid communication error.
They aren’t trying to move to be completely cloud based. That was a bad headline that misconstrued what they were actually doing. The article actually just talked about how they wanted Windows to be fully streamable from the cloud as an option.
That’s exactly how Office365/Microsoft365 got it’s start. Now, instead of buying a copy of Office, you subscribe to Microsoft365.
I’m assuming that the path from cloud as an option to subscription based OS will be a little faster. To be fair, I wouldn’t be surprised if the stripped down locally installed version is offered as a Freemium option. Air-gapped and non-online computers usually just do one thing anyways. Most aren’t being used to watch movies, buy stuff, etc.
My prediction would be that within 5 years, probably sooner, if you don’t subscribe to your cloud-based Microsoft Windows OS, you’ll have a bare-bones experience. Good enough for kiosks and such.
Granted, you are correct, the article passed around only talks about how it’s an option right now, with some benefits… but we’ve all seen Microsoft do this exact same play before.
For a business a cloud based OS would be far easier to be honest. It’s just an iteration on remote desktop services, with better latency and better protection of the business because of tools like this. I don’t think this should exist without consent on your private OS, but I can stand with not having to tell the new guy again that he can’t torrent on company property.
Reminder that Microsoft is trying to shift Windows to be entirely cloud based, so this can easily happen overnight without your consent. You don’t own your OS. Linux is the only way, unless you’re one of those strange BSD folks.
>b-but muh proprietary software and vidya gaymes!!!
Ik this is sarcastic but the video games issue is real regardless of Proton and its derivatives on Linux. Windows really is the best way to game right now
I feel that this very much depnd on which games you’re playing. Competitive or Roblox, Windows is the better choice. Majority of the games I play though works without any issues on Linux.
I’ve heard that some games even are faster on Linux even when running proton buy it isn’t anything I’ve myself has investigated.
Gaming is one of my main intrests and I’ve been playing on Linux for at least ten years. It’s not for everyone I guess.
Yeah, I built a new PC at the beginning of the pandemic and went Linux. I don’t even not windows and play all my games on there.
I play Apex Legends ranked. It runs better on pop os than win11 on my PC.
It’s great that it works for what you play, but it doesn’t for me. Hopefully the steamdeck train continues to pick up steam, because it’s pretty much the only reason Linux gaming is gaining ground.
As a #1 competitive Roblox player, I can agree
Is there a lot of monies in the competitive Roblox circuit?
Yeah I demand their lunch money
I think Roblox is the only game that has the kids booting into Windows. Another reason Roblox sucks, I suppose.
It really sucks that they went and blocked Linux. Before that it worked flawlessly. I was close to moving my kids over to Linux when they did.
Are you serious about roblox? Because I’m not much of a gamer, but kids play roblox and I was actualy planning on migrating to linux this summer.
Unfortunately yes, a month or so Roblox actively blocked Linux än VM:s. They claimed it is only temporarily until their new client is stable so that they can evaluate the results for windows first. General consensus seems to be that could just as well just filtered the results considering that they are able to block Linux all together.
I haven’t checked it out for a couple of weeks though so I don’t know if a workaround has been found. It’s annoying though because Roblox worked perfectly before that. I would have loved to migrate my kids computer’s to Linux as well since I got problems with rage every time I try to fix things on them 😅
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What is their reasoning?
There’s many different reasons (all of them ignorant or blatantly made in bad faith) but one that I recall off the top of my head is that, since Linux gives users more freedom and more control over their operating system and computer, playing on Linux makes it easier for you to cheat in games. They like that in Windows, there’s parts of the system that Microsoft simply doesn’t allow users to touch, because in some cases, they still can, so they can use that to implement things like
rootkitssorry I mean “kernel-level anti-cheat” that users have no effective way of removing or bypassing.I have always found this argument disingenuous. Cheaters still find a way. At the end of the day, if you don’t want cheaters, then play games with people you trust.
It’s not even ignorant, it’s straight up removed. Windows might have 100x users than Linux but the number of cheats on windows is way higher than that.
That may be the case to some extent but the overall Linux playerbase for a lot of games is still super low. These studios don’t want to offer support and potentially have to troubleshoot for operating systems that only 1.4% of PC gamers are using (in the case of Steam survey). That number has been growing at a better pace recently, which is a good sign though.
That being said I wish it was different. Seeing some Anti-cheat developers (EAC and BattlEye) working with Valve to make the anti cheat side of things work properly under Proton over the past couple years gives me hope yet. If enough of that keeps happening then more users will be willing to switch and the market share can convince publishers that it’s worth it to at least target Proton compatibility, which some studios/publishers have been doing more often since the Steam Deck dropped.
Fun fact: there exist drivers you can load before vanguard that bypass it. As usual, only regular users r fuk by copy protection.
The funniest part about this shit is that people are still cheating. On Windows. It’s not any better with these anti cheat methods.
I went fulltime Linux and therefor bought a full AMD system (better drivers) one year ago. I played about 15 games the last year, some of them AAA titles, rarely had problems, and all of them could be fixed by looking on protondb.com (unless the problems came from the game itself of course).
There are some titles which will not support Linux on purpose although it surely would run just fine, for whatever reasons, e.g. fortnite.
Yeah that’s been my experience, but that won’t be the case for everyone. I mostly play singleplayer games, only a few multiplayer games, so it makes sense that I don’t have issues. But for someone who plays lots of multiplayer games, it wouldn’t work.
My setup is I have my gaming rig with a 4080 running Windows, then I turned my old PC gaming rig into an unRAID server. It’s a fully automated piracy machine running Plex. I just tell it what I want to download on my website.
Same here. Unraid + Arrs + Plex/Jellyfin + Overseer/Ombi + DelugeVPN + 50 other containers I have running
Excellent setup
What games are problematic on Linux these days? I’ve been Linux only for since Windows 7 server went EoL, and have had shockingly few problems, particularly in the last year or so. The few things that have been problematic with Proton work fine with GloriousEggroll.
I do all my gaming in Linux. Yeah there’s some games i really wanted to play that don’t work in Linux, but there are so many games i can’t hope to play them all anyway.
I made the jump several years ago to full Linux and never looked back. I game a bunch, built my own custom PC’s for years. Linux has been great, and gaming on it has become fantastic.
The Steam Deck has helped push it even further, at this point I don’t really check if games run on Linux, I assume they do and 95% of the time I’m right.
The few games that flat out don’t run because of Anti-Cheat, I either wait until they are eventually supported, (Dead by Daylight, cough) or I just give them up. It isn’t worth it to me to sacrifice my freedom, privacy, and consumer rights just to play a certain video game when there are literally 10’s of thousands of games out there that I could play that run perfectly fine on Linux.
oh no the 4chan meme arrow speak
I can’t live without Call of Dooty!
Are you saying the video game complaint isn’t real? You have a solution? 90% of my personal PC use is gaming, otherwise anything I used to use my PC for is done with my phone.
Until Linux can support my entire steam library, I don’t see why I’d bother.
I wish that was the only thing. I work in science/engineering and lots of software that control equipment are only windows.
There are options like using virtual machines, but it’s way to cumbersome and prone to errors, you don’t want a measurement that took half a day get ruined because of a stupid communication error.
They aren’t trying to move to be completely cloud based. That was a bad headline that misconstrued what they were actually doing. The article actually just talked about how they wanted Windows to be fully streamable from the cloud as an option.
That’s exactly how Office365/Microsoft365 got it’s start. Now, instead of buying a copy of Office, you subscribe to Microsoft365.
I’m assuming that the path from cloud as an option to subscription based OS will be a little faster. To be fair, I wouldn’t be surprised if the stripped down locally installed version is offered as a Freemium option. Air-gapped and non-online computers usually just do one thing anyways. Most aren’t being used to watch movies, buy stuff, etc.
My prediction would be that within 5 years, probably sooner, if you don’t subscribe to your cloud-based Microsoft Windows OS, you’ll have a bare-bones experience. Good enough for kiosks and such.
Granted, you are correct, the article passed around only talks about how it’s an option right now, with some benefits… but we’ve all seen Microsoft do this exact same play before.
Naa, I just install Office and autopatch it.
For a business a cloud based OS would be far easier to be honest. It’s just an iteration on remote desktop services, with better latency and better protection of the business because of tools like this. I don’t think this should exist without consent on your private OS, but I can stand with not having to tell the new guy again that he can’t torrent on company property.