I want to donate to a linux phone. I believe in linux and I want a linux phone. Maybe we can use one in very few years as a normal daily driver. It’s getting closer and closer every month.

I want to donate that we get there sooner. But which project? I’m following postmarket but I’m not sure if they are the most promising. What’s your stance on this? To which project would you give your money to accellerate it?

Edit: I don’t want to buy a phone. I want to support the phone os devs. Sorry for the bad wording.

  • Pantherina@feddit.de
    6423·
    9 months ago

    Tbh GrapheneOS.

    Android is Linux.

    And unlike desktop Linux it was able to spread secure and private standards

    • every app is sandboxed, not some opt-in like Flatpak
    • apps start with no permissions (or at least very little), everything is opt-in
    • it is like 99% unbreaking, immutable, it just always works while my desktop Linux broke all the time
    • there is a webview, which can be hardened. Not Electron, which is insecure and bloated
    • energy saving etc work like a charm. 1% battery loss over an entire night!
    • hardware security with trusted element is decades ahead of desktop Linux (Ubuntu is just now getting TPM encryption support)
    • it is a unified platform, with tons of apps, many of them essential (as the platform is so secure), like 2FA, Banking, public services etc. you can have a full FOSS phone though

    I am sure excited for other operating systems but they are just toys. GrapheneOS does amazing work that is a 100% alternative today, for real phones with normal prices, good performance and outstanding security.

    • FreeBooteR69@kbin.social
      434·
      9 months ago

      When i think of Android i don’t think of it as part of the gnu/linux ecosystem, but a heavily modified linux kernel turned against the user.

      • Pantherina@feddit.de
        36·
        9 months ago

        How is it turned against the user? Androids Linux is highly restricted in that it doesnt support a lot of things, but that makes it extremely stable, while this doesnt mean that apps are also “stable” like in Debian

        • scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
          2·
          9 months ago

          They don’t expect users to do development on android.

          (Phones should be used like telephones lol.) I’m going to buy a landline phone

          • Pantherina@feddit.de
            1·
            9 months ago

            No a phone is an end device. But I dont think GPL or whatever says you need to be able to modify the code on that device.

            Makes no sense.

            Btw as I only said this in another comment, afaik android runs a tailored LTS linux kernel. It is not as bloated as regular linux as it contains device drivers and also doesnt need all the random drivers for whatever hardware to run on a specific phone.

            So you can say android restricts freedom in exchange for security, but “linux kernel turned against the user” makes no sense. Their kernel is just fine.

    • rah@feddit.ukEnglish
      262·
      9 months ago

      Android is Linux.

      It runs Linux but it isn’t a “Linux phone” in the sense used here.

      • Pantherina@feddit.de
        52·
        9 months ago

        Yes I know but the Term is simply incorrect. I dont have a better one though.

        And even though I am excited to use some Linux Distro on a phone I own, it will be way worse in stability, security and crucial app support than Android / GrapheneOS.

        • Captain Beyond@linkage.ds8.zone
          2·
          9 months ago

          I dont have a better one though.

          I just say non-Android Linux systems. GNU/Linux if I’m talking about that type of system, but there are some like postmarketOS that are strictly not in that group (it’s based on Alpine)

          • Ook the Librarian@lemmy.world
            52·
            9 months ago

            Is this seriously your takeaway from a well-thought out post? This the smugness of reddit that I really don’t miss.

            edit: I am refering to the root comment, as that isn’t clear.

      • dragnet@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        42·
        9 months ago

        Almost everything you said here is false, with the exception of controversy over the developer. However, GrapeheneOS is far from a single developer project, and the former lead stepped down a little while ago.

          • scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
            22·
            9 months ago

            There is no freedom in his code licensing

            Evidence required.

            Most of them grant infinite freedom, with one requirement. (Not restrictive like *GPL.)

            Others like vanadium are restrictive under GPL

            https://github.com/GrapheneOS/hardened_malloc/commit/c3a580727a9a844da05ae4e2787a937253b09427

            You guys should not listen to TheAnonymouseJoker, this is the evidence of him spreading misinformation.

            (Please note I’m not in GrapheneOS community (banned), nor putting myself in the class of privacy racers.)

          • scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
            11·
            9 months ago

            Edit: since this clown calls me “misinformation” spreader and asks for evidence, it is easy to look at one of the two long investigation articles I wrote, in which in share DivestOS XMPP room chat logs with Micay bullying DivestOS dev into banning me otherwise he will initiate a harassment campaign on social media against him.

            Don’t think that’s related

            Similar stuff was done (calling neonazi in issue tracker) against Bromite project that used what should be open sourced code, but is not.

            https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1537851090514890752

            That’s personal emotion against bromite and lead to unacceptable wording. But Micay can’t force others to remove their code if they do not violate it. nevertheless, Vanadium code is free in Linux communities’ opinion, right?? (I’d not consider that since it is GPL)

            simply: The license of vanadium is still gpl and is it free in your opinion?

      • scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
        11·
        9 months ago

        harassing and witch hunting any critics

        You can criticize GrapheneOS just because Micay will care about your words. But you can’t do with something like OpenBSD because the developers are much knowledgeable and they never cared your words. They maintain an operating system for themselves and will not develop features to please users.

        You can only criticize some small project with a developer that isn’t good in communication. You are truly a petty person.

        having a little social media army with sockpuppets to do this

        No loser, the community is the army. (their quality isn’t better than any Calyx or Lineage). The developers don’t even have enough time to please user with a beautiful user interface then why they would screaming on social medias like you are doing.

        But they maintained hardened_malloc and you never take a word for it.

    • Lettuce eat lettuce@lemmy.ml
      93·
      9 months ago

      On GrapheneOS right now typing this, love it! I switched over about 2 years ago to Graphene and never looked back. Rarely have any issues, solid battery life, all my apps work, life is good and private.

    • Captain Beyond@linkage.ds8.zone
      88·
      9 months ago

      Android is Linux.

      This should be repeated in every “Linux phone” thread.

      It’s also possible to install a full GNU userland using Termux, and nowadays a graphical interface is even possible with Termux.

      • Zamundaaa@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        61·
        9 months ago

        It is repeated in every single damn “Linux phone” thread, and in every single thread an answer like this is needed: No, it fucking isn’t. You know exactly what everyone means, stop being a dick about it.

        • Captain Beyond@linkage.ds8.zone
          22·
          9 months ago

          It is repeated in every single damn “Linux phone” thread

          Good. The more people pushing back against falsehoods, the better.

            • Captain Beyond@linkage.ds8.zone
              11·
              9 months ago

              “Android isn’t Linux,” of course. This is a very obviously false myth that is debunked very easily by simply looking at any Android device or the source code. It is not a myth spread by people who are technologically literate. Yet, this easily verifiable fact upsets Linux fans so much they resort to downvotes and ugly language (I have my ideas why, but it’s probably a waste of time to elaborate in this thread).

              Of course, the more savvy among the Linux fandom will admit that Android “contains Linux, but isn’t real Linux” - but “real Linux” is yet another myth; that is, the myth that there is more to Linux than an operating system kernel, a myth that leads to further myths such as the myth of fragmentation, or the myth that distributions are worthless and we need a “unified app store.” It’s a myth that clouds history and assigns the wrong motives to the wrong people and meanings to things that don’t need or deserve them (the misunderstanding that that “Linux” is “about openness” or “against corporations” for example, when large companies are the main contributors to and users of the Linux project). Linus Torvalds himself says he only cares about code, not about freedom or openness or any of that stuff (that’s Richard Stallman’s thing)

              The fact that this myth is widely believed is not relevant. We don’t live in a world where a falsehood becomes true if it is widely believed; people used to believe the sun revolved around the earth, for example. Also, a falsehood being widely believed doesn’t mean it deserves to stay unchallenged.

              The point of reminding Linux fans that Android is based on their beloved kernel isn’t meant to be a well-actually or anything. It’s a reminder that much of what a so called “Linux phone” can do is already possible without having to switch to an operating system that in many respects is not ready for general use. For example, you can run xfce in Termux - I hope this is enough to disabuse one of the silly notion of “not real Linux.” For some reason. people looking for so-called “Linux phones” desire Android compatibility, and it turns out that because Android itself is Linux, it is far easier for Android to run so-called “Linux apps” than it is for so-called “mobile Linux” to run Android apps.

              Android is Linux and that’s a good thing. I should point out that it’s not my preferred Linux operating system - I was a Pinephone early adopter and used to daily drive Mobian, I would prefer that or GNU Guix over Android. Still, not only is it a Linux based operating system, it also has its own rich free software ecosystem backed by F-Droid. It’s very usable once you cut out the Google crap and stick to free software only (or as much as possible).

              I wrote more on the “real Linux” myth here in case anyone’s interested in more reading material.

              • rah@feddit.ukEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                “Android isn’t Linux,”

                Nobody here has said that. What’s been pointed out is that the phrase “Linux phone” is being used by OP to refer to non-Android phones running GNU/Linux, which is a common use of the phrase.