That’s what bothers me for a long time now and I’m glad I’m not alone: I like the stories but a black woman on the bridge? Really? But it’s ok, she was born in Africa so she’s not necessarily a former slave. What bothers me more is a later development: A Russian on a supposedly American ship! Even if it’s not explicitly American, there are Americans on the bridge and they sure as hell won’t serve with a Russian! What do they think? The cold war is over? But I have great hope in the planned new series. I hope the Next Generation won’t be that woke.
Just imagine what they could come up with in the future. A female captain? A black station commander? No way, Star Trek has gone down the gutter. I’m not watching TNG. They can stick their wokeness where the sun don’t shine.
And NBC threw a tantrum because of Uhura’s and Kirk’s kiss, which was made more ridiculous because the backlash they expected never came. I wonder how often they self-censored without any reason.
The wasn’t just implied to be anything, she was second in command. Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally for inclusion and diversity and stuff but a woman second in command is where I draw the line.
My favorite TOS episode was the one where they showed the clear superiority of the aliens with the white/black faces over the aliens with the black/white faces. The genocide part went a bit far, but in the end those black/white face guys had it coming.
You almost make it seem ridiculous by calling it black/white faces. It was the whole body! They wear gloves so you didn’t see it but it wasn’t just the face. That in mind, the white/black skinned were totally in their right. The genocide didn’t even happen, it’s just made up like most genocides are. The black/white people just prevented worse from happening.
I’m all for the idea of wokeness, but there are those that take it to an extreme. Those that would silence a black man making a honest case for color-blindness, calling him racist. Those that won’t put in any thought before declaring anyone who disagrees with them a racist/transphobe/xenophobe etc etc etc.
There is room for honest discussion and critical thinking, but there is this mob mentality ultraleft (and yea this exists in the right too) that seems incapable of critical thought and only capable of hating anything that opposes the groupthink.
And liked the ideas, but then see that it’s being used to call the speaker racist and attempts at silencing him. Plus the unwillingness to even have a conversation.
You vilify the idea of “just asking questions” to the point that no one can ask questions. That leaves me standing here, not understanding your position, but unwilling to blindly accept everything I’m told to think.
Sure, there are people who weaponize “just asking questions”, but is the solution really just to call every person with a contrary opinion a fucking nazi?
Edit: is anyone willing to tell me how the ideas in the first video are racist and worthy of silencing the person who speaks them?
Ah yes, the alt right debate me.bro youtube pipeline. You probably think you’re having this unique experience, but all the other losers went down the exact same path.
If you say shit that people think is racist or nazi like, people are gonna call you a racist or a nazi. You won’t have a fun time here because your weirdo alt right youtube pipeline shit has already started to corrupt your brain and people are gonna keep calling the weirdo shit you say racist, sexist, transphoblic, or nazi like.
Have a fun time trying to get people not to do that they want to do that, and we are all in full support. Maybe you’ll have a better time on the weirdo alt right social medias
Let’s say you’re right, shouldn’t people try to stop other from going down that pipeline? Send a Destiny video or something.
But I don’t think you’re right, I’ve been just about at this same point for 15 years.
I love having conversations because I love deeply understanding things. I toy with ideas like little fidget toys, sometimes they end up being more interesting or useful and sometimes a friend tells me it’s dangerous and I put that idea down.
I’m curious, did you see what videos I posted? It’s a black guy advocating for class based social justice. If he’s wrong, if the ideas he’s espousing are dangerous, I’d honestly like to understand how.
… but “debate me bro” and “I’m just asking questions” means I can no longer debate or ask questions. Well, at least on the internet.
Thankfully I’ve got friends who know me, understand my intents, and also seem to enjoy having these conversations with me.
you keep the things that get you called racist, nazi and transphobe to you and your friends then
but you shouldn’t be crying outrage when you do say things and then people label you from that, you said the things, maybe use that as a moment of reflection on yourself.
it’s a very very simple thought process, if people call you a nazi, reflect on why people are calling you a nazi. Don’t just reach for Help Help, I’m Being Oppressed!
the level that you guys think you are being oppressed and victimized is wild.
You know, it’s possible to be a leftist and still not agree 100% with the everything.
The response to my comment is precisely what I hate about the left. And yet, I’m still so much more aligned with the left that I could ever be with the right.
You’re not wrong, but this thread is the first time I’ve seen someone make that argument and not immediately dive into a bunch of alt-right talking points.
I’m literally punching down on an entire group of people, republicans.
Also, I don’t quite grasp all the rules of slurs. I’m not making a derogatory use of the term towards someone with a intellectual disability (also, that’s a term that’s starting to pick up the same “slur” vibes, just as retard did from originally being a medical term).
Am I allowed to use the term retard if I myself have a learning disability? What if I’m of some other demonstrably lower caste group of people in the American social order? Is that still punching down?
I’d honestly ask those questions, but then I’d be “just asking questions” so let’s just say those are rhetorical and we can just end the conversation here.
That’s what bothers me for a long time now and I’m glad I’m not alone: I like the stories but a black woman on the bridge? Really? But it’s ok, she was born in Africa so she’s not necessarily a former slave. What bothers me more is a later development: A Russian on a supposedly American ship! Even if it’s not explicitly American, there are Americans on the bridge and they sure as hell won’t serve with a Russian! What do they think? The cold war is over? But I have great hope in the planned new series. I hope the Next Generation won’t be that woke.
Just imagine what they could come up with in the future. A female captain? A black station commander? No way, Star Trek has gone down the gutter. I’m not watching TNG. They can stick their wokeness where the sun don’t shine.
Go back even further! The cage almost canceled the entire show because a woman was merely implied to be captaining the ship for a quick while 😰😰
And NBC threw a tantrum because of Uhura’s and Kirk’s kiss, which was made more ridiculous because the backlash they expected never came. I wonder how often they self-censored without any reason.
The wasn’t just implied to be anything, she was second in command. Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally for inclusion and diversity and stuff but a woman second in command is where I draw the line.
My favorite TOS episode was the one where they showed the clear superiority of the aliens with the white/black faces over the aliens with the black/white faces. The genocide part went a bit far, but in the end those black/white face guys had it coming.
You almost make it seem ridiculous by calling it black/white faces. It was the whole body! They wear gloves so you didn’t see it but it wasn’t just the face. That in mind, the white/black skinned were totally in their right. The genocide didn’t even happen, it’s just made up like most genocides are. The black/white people just prevented worse from happening.
I’m all for the idea of wokeness, but there are those that take it to an extreme. Those that would silence a black man making a honest case for color-blindness, calling him racist. Those that won’t put in any thought before declaring anyone who disagrees with them a racist/transphobe/xenophobe etc etc etc.
There is room for honest discussion and critical thinking, but there is this mob mentality ultraleft (and yea this exists in the right too) that seems incapable of critical thought and only capable of hating anything that opposes the groupthink.
Can you give us a good example that is exclusive to the ultra left, which doesn’t involve bigotry or “just asking questions” talking points?
Otherwise, the whole groupthink problem is a much wider issue, and why the two party system in the US is a problem.
Oh, no it is an everybody issue. It’s just what puts me off from people I otherwise frequently agree with.
Maybe just keep to the porn, eh?
Forgot to switch accounts, whoops. Easy to do when you always casually browse c/all
you can always tell when someone has said something terrible and got called a fascist/nazi for it because they say stuff like this
It couldn’t be that I watched a talk like this:
https://youtu.be/QxB3b7fxMEA?si=_HLVoBr0moJg6Mkb
And liked the ideas, but then see that it’s being used to call the speaker racist and attempts at silencing him. Plus the unwillingness to even have a conversation.
https://youtu.be/KKZlb-MdzKo?si=bohTJwhwMD9QehI-
You vilify the idea of “just asking questions” to the point that no one can ask questions. That leaves me standing here, not understanding your position, but unwilling to blindly accept everything I’m told to think.
Sure, there are people who weaponize “just asking questions”, but is the solution really just to call every person with a contrary opinion a fucking nazi?
Edit: is anyone willing to tell me how the ideas in the first video are racist and worthy of silencing the person who speaks them?
Ah yes, the alt right debate me.bro youtube pipeline. You probably think you’re having this unique experience, but all the other losers went down the exact same path.
If you say shit that people think is racist or nazi like, people are gonna call you a racist or a nazi. You won’t have a fun time here because your weirdo alt right youtube pipeline shit has already started to corrupt your brain and people are gonna keep calling the weirdo shit you say racist, sexist, transphoblic, or nazi like.
Have a fun time trying to get people not to do that they want to do that, and we are all in full support. Maybe you’ll have a better time on the weirdo alt right social medias
Let’s say you’re right, shouldn’t people try to stop other from going down that pipeline? Send a Destiny video or something.
But I don’t think you’re right, I’ve been just about at this same point for 15 years.
I love having conversations because I love deeply understanding things. I toy with ideas like little fidget toys, sometimes they end up being more interesting or useful and sometimes a friend tells me it’s dangerous and I put that idea down.
I’m curious, did you see what videos I posted? It’s a black guy advocating for class based social justice. If he’s wrong, if the ideas he’s espousing are dangerous, I’d honestly like to understand how.
… but “debate me bro” and “I’m just asking questions” means I can no longer debate or ask questions. Well, at least on the internet.
Thankfully I’ve got friends who know me, understand my intents, and also seem to enjoy having these conversations with me.
you keep the things that get you called racist, nazi and transphobe to you and your friends then
but you shouldn’t be crying outrage when you do say things and then people label you from that, you said the things, maybe use that as a moment of reflection on yourself.
Welp, I tried reflecting on my original comment and how it makes me a nazi, but I’m just coming up blank.
Guess I’m just a nazi now. Remind me, what do the nazis think of brown people?
my dude, literally no one called you a nazi
it’s a very very simple thought process, if people call you a nazi, reflect on why people are calling you a nazi. Don’t just reach for Help Help, I’m Being Oppressed!
the level that you guys think you are being oppressed and victimized is wild.
You know, it’s possible to be a leftist and still not agree 100% with the everything.
The response to my comment is precisely what I hate about the left. And yet, I’m still so much more aligned with the left that I could ever be with the right.
You’re not wrong, but this thread is the first time I’ve seen someone make that argument and not immediately dive into a bunch of alt-right talking points.
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So because the right is a bunch of fucking retarded donkeys, the left is infallible. Got it.
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I thought I was just matching your snarky tone.
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I’m literally punching down on an entire group of people, republicans.
Also, I don’t quite grasp all the rules of slurs. I’m not making a derogatory use of the term towards someone with a intellectual disability (also, that’s a term that’s starting to pick up the same “slur” vibes, just as retard did from originally being a medical term).
Am I allowed to use the term retard if I myself have a learning disability? What if I’m of some other demonstrably lower caste group of people in the American social order? Is that still punching down?
I’d honestly ask those questions, but then I’d be “just asking questions” so let’s just say those are rhetorical and we can just end the conversation here.