Participate in what? Society? So you just don’t want trans people to exist in it? You realize that makes you transphobic, right? The fact that you even posted here indicates that you’re not being honest.
No I dont mean I dont want them to exist I want them to be themselves Im just not going to call them anything but he or she thats all. You can call me transphobic if you want but in my mind im just indifferent. I wont stop someone calling themself what they want Im just not currently interested in doing it.
Do you have a nickname or a preferred name? I do and Im a cis man. My nickname is a less common nickname of my full name. If you call me by the more common nickname I usually do not respond because in 50 years that was always a different person’s name and not mine.
If you know me for long enough and you keep calling me the wrong name I am going to think you are pretty rude because you should know my name if you know me.
It’s the same way with pronouns. No rational person is going to jump down your throat for using the wrong pronoun the first time as you aren’t aware of their preference, but when you have been told a few times it is rude.
Let’s say we work together. I insist that I don’t care about gender and see no reason why I should. As such, I decide to refer to you as ‘lady’ or ‘girl’ over the course of our daily conversations.
Would that not bother you? You don’t think that wouldn’t eventually start having an effect on you? Being constantly misidentified, misgendered, or having a part of who you are be literally disregarded?
My question is, why is there a distinction between a man identifying as a woman, an old pedo identifying as a 6 year old boy and a white woman identifying as a black one (this last one I know was real and just can’t remember the name of the person)?
It’s really not that hard to understand why one is problematic and the other one isn’t.
The only reason someone would have an issue with trans people is by inventing some “threat” to justify outdated and harmful societal taboos.
First of, it’s not just threats, real assaults have happened already. And tons of cases of women complaining about not wanting to see male genitalia in locker rooms exist.
Second, I would argue that at least the white woman identifying as black is just as harmless, if not more.
Equating pedophilia with the sensibilities of a few reactionary women being harmed from simply seeing genetalia, when they can simply look the other way, is not the own you think it is.
Are trans people more likely to assault than the rest of the population?
The fear you feel is implemented by societal norm and you are attempting to justify it which makes your standards way less than for changing your mind.
What would change your mind on this is what you need to figure out. Then you ask yourself if that’s a reasonable amount of skepticism.
You can work through your bias and become a better and less hateful person. I believe in you.
More assaults take place against trans people than are made by trans people.
I don’t want to see old man’s balls in men’s locker room either but the way to deal with that is to not stare at other’s naked bodies.
Rachel Dolezal filed hate crime charges based on her false racial identity. That isn’t harmless. It us a different situation because she does identify as white at times.
And you are incorrect about that. You are very uninformed on this issue based on your examples. It feels like you tried to come up with counterexamples but took no time to assess their validity.
Transpeople have always existed we just did not see them as other humans historically had a habit of murdering them. Naturally this kept them out if sight and the modern transrights movement is attempting to change this.
Your second example is not a real thing and if it were and adult identifying as a child would be delusional because they are not a child. Childhood is not a social construct like gender is so the situation is different.
Rachel Dolezal was the person you were thinking of. While race is also a social construct she understood her ancestry to be different and pretended otherwise to the point if asking her brother to not point out she was white. That means she identifies as a white person on some level whereas transpeople do not identify as their assigned birth gender.
I was uplifted for a minute and then I read the comments.
Guys, why is it so hard to just respect that people exist that you might not fully understand?
In my case i respect the existance I just dont want to participate. Leave me alone and I leave you alone
Participate in what? Society? So you just don’t want trans people to exist in it? You realize that makes you transphobic, right? The fact that you even posted here indicates that you’re not being honest.
No I dont mean I dont want them to exist I want them to be themselves Im just not going to call them anything but he or she thats all. You can call me transphobic if you want but in my mind im just indifferent. I wont stop someone calling themself what they want Im just not currently interested in doing it.
Do you have a nickname or a preferred name? I do and Im a cis man. My nickname is a less common nickname of my full name. If you call me by the more common nickname I usually do not respond because in 50 years that was always a different person’s name and not mine.
If you know me for long enough and you keep calling me the wrong name I am going to think you are pretty rude because you should know my name if you know me.
It’s the same way with pronouns. No rational person is going to jump down your throat for using the wrong pronoun the first time as you aren’t aware of their preference, but when you have been told a few times it is rude.
I’m going to assume you’re a cis man for this.
Let’s say we work together. I insist that I don’t care about gender and see no reason why I should. As such, I decide to refer to you as ‘lady’ or ‘girl’ over the course of our daily conversations.
Would that not bother you? You don’t think that wouldn’t eventually start having an effect on you? Being constantly misidentified, misgendered, or having a part of who you are be literally disregarded?
If you don’t want to participate in respect and civility then you can kindly leave society. Leave us all alone because there is no space here for you.
My question is, why is there a distinction between a man identifying as a woman, an old pedo identifying as a 6 year old boy and a white woman identifying as a black one (this last one I know was real and just can’t remember the name of the person)?
It’s really not that hard to understand why one is problematic and the other one isn’t. The only reason someone would have an issue with trans people is by inventing some “threat” to justify outdated and harmful societal taboos.
First of, it’s not just threats, real assaults have happened already. And tons of cases of women complaining about not wanting to see male genitalia in locker rooms exist.
Second, I would argue that at least the white woman identifying as black is just as harmless, if not more.
Tons of cases that you won’t link to as always
Here you go lazy boy/girl/whatever:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/loudoun-schools-sex-assault-allegations/2021/10/13/02d3f144-2c61-11ec-8ef6-3ca8fe943a92_story.html
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-02/indecent-exposure-charges-filed-trans-woman-spa
If you also want to get into the trans-athlete xenanigans:
https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-broke-opponent-s-skull-mma-fight
https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/teammates-are-uneasy-changing-in-locker-room-with-trans-upenn-swimmer-lia-thomas/
Equating pedophilia with the sensibilities of a few reactionary women being harmed from simply seeing genetalia, when they can simply look the other way, is not the own you think it is.
What pedophilia? It’s just a 6 year old playing doctors, you biggot.
Are trans people more likely to assault than the rest of the population? The fear you feel is implemented by societal norm and you are attempting to justify it which makes your standards way less than for changing your mind. What would change your mind on this is what you need to figure out. Then you ask yourself if that’s a reasonable amount of skepticism. You can work through your bias and become a better and less hateful person. I believe in you.
More assaults take place against trans people than are made by trans people.
I don’t want to see old man’s balls in men’s locker room either but the way to deal with that is to not stare at other’s naked bodies.
Rachel Dolezal filed hate crime charges based on her false racial identity. That isn’t harmless. It us a different situation because she does identify as white at times.
That’s the dumbest question I’ve ever heard, congratulations
Wtf is wrong with you?!
Nothing, I’m just exploring a subject where I think there is a ton of hypocrisy.
And you are incorrect about that. You are very uninformed on this issue based on your examples. It feels like you tried to come up with counterexamples but took no time to assess their validity.
Please all report this disgusting peace of shit, just wtf is wrong with humans?!!!
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Thank you for the insightful counter argument.
It made me think a lot and reflect on my actions and now I want to change.
And the change starts by putting your response in the trash.
You can’t argue with human garbage! ;)
Something something pigeons playing chess.
Because those are three different situations?
Transpeople have always existed we just did not see them as other humans historically had a habit of murdering them. Naturally this kept them out if sight and the modern transrights movement is attempting to change this.
Your second example is not a real thing and if it were and adult identifying as a child would be delusional because they are not a child. Childhood is not a social construct like gender is so the situation is different.
Rachel Dolezal was the person you were thinking of. While race is also a social construct she understood her ancestry to be different and pretended otherwise to the point if asking her brother to not point out she was white. That means she identifies as a white person on some level whereas transpeople do not identify as their assigned birth gender.
Three different situations