This war is going to go on until at at least till Putin dies won’t it?
Russians really fucked themselves on this one. But it looks more and more like they are just willing to kill themselves and Ukraine to save face. It looks like the only hope for Ukraine is to attrition the Russian military while sanctions are ongoing that the Russians get so pissed off at their shitty lives that they do something. But the Russians aren’t famous for doing anything about their shitty lives so I doubt that’s going to happen soon.
Hopefully Ukraine can destroy enough AA to use these planes to get effect next year.
My question is who’s going to remove those 600 million landmines or so that Russia is planted in Ukraine.
In all likelihood it’s going to be the Ukrainians.
Hopefully fully funded by Russian reparations.
Nah, Russian prisoners of war. Strap their hands to their heads and force them to walk around the fields. Fuck em.
They have a plant that’ll grow a different colour over a mine. Not saying it’s viable, just saying it’s cool.
Small children?
I will.
Well the Russians did try to improve their circumstances that one time. Did not work out for literally everyone around them though.
Because every f16 sent to Ukraine gets backfilled by an f35?
Are we going to be sending them pilots as well or do they just expect them to start the long training process to learn how to fly them and hope the pointless (but Russia’s fault) war lasts long enough to use them?
Your answer is in the first paragraph of the source.
Expecting people to actually read an article ? What a weird idea
Oh… well, shit.
Well it is a shitposting sub so I think you get a pass on not doing the homework
Thank fuck. We were getting dangerously close to credibility.
The pilots will be Ukrainian from what I understand. But the planes are owned by the respective countries. The only reason for the sensationalist headline, beside clickbait, is because the F-16 is an American made fighter jet.
The fact the f16 is US made means a country cannot give it to another country without the US approval. It is the case for all armaments. The producing country must allow the transfer.
This is true. But the headlines like to make it appear as though they are from US bases
As I understand it (but have no source) there are Ukraine pilots being trained on the F-16 stateside
Don’t worry, you got plenty of time to calm down. The pilot training hasn’t even started yet.
Rookie move. Germany’s about to get to new Bundesländer
the fuck do the yanks have to say about who sends what?
Normal clause for weapons deals. No unauthorized resell
No unauthorized resell
why the fuck do they always feel they have to be the authority on every fucking thing?
They make the aircraft, they make the rules. You break the rules, you don’t get any more aircraft.
I buy a thing, I can do whatever the fuck I want with that thing, right?
Sure, but then good luck getting any more afterwards
Not when the thing is a weapon and you’re buying it from a government.
Some things yes, some things no. Contracts with stipulations are a thing with a gazillion examples even outside arm sales. See HOA
See HOA
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It’s standard world wide. Germany had to ok the transfer of leopards also.
Word of the day: hegemony
Jesus christ, you people are tiring.
Read a fucking article for once in your lives, and you’ll quickly figure out that you need the manufacturing country’s permission before exporting weapons bought from them.
This isn’t some US conspiracy. This is very common with pretty much all countries that manufacture weapons.
We expect all users to treat each other with respect and kindness. kbin.social users keeping it classy.
Gotta treat yourself with some respect first, my man.
First step is not acting like a retard.
I like you. I too am fed up with people.
Just like the Gorn?
Congrats right wingers
I’m as left as they come and if those idiots from across the aisle see this as a lucrative deal for weapons manufacturers then so be it. Russia needs to be stood up to.
Look at his account, its kinda sad in a way
Says you right wing fucks
Yeah, I did say that. You okay?
Says Ukraine.
Hey man, I’m not at all trying to call you out or anything. You should go talk to a therapist. You might have a lot of fears about shit and that comes from someplace. Talking to someone about that helps. Good luck 👍.
Keep up the gaslighting right winger. Are you in therapy is that why youre suggesting it?
Anyways… Be nice… If anyone is spreading right wing ideology and fascist adjacent talking points it’s been you the last few days. You run a right wing community under the guise of being contrarian 😂.
It’s fine to disagree but you are either a dotard or a useful idiot if you are part of the left…
I get it you hate American hegemony and would rather see some weird right wing dictatorship like China or Russia pick up the mantle. You don’t believe in democracy or the agency of people based on your comments. That’s fine people are allowed to wrong think but not according to you…
How old are you and what enlightened generation are you from since you keep saying it?
Anyways you should be more pragmatic and with current times. Currently you seem to be part of the alt-right and until proven otherwise I am going to assume you are.
So let me say this clearly, fuck fascists and people who support them knowingly or as useful idiots like yourself.
Whats your sollution? Surrender?
Global disarmament. I know that is really confusing to right wingers
Lol like Ukraine did with their nukes?
So who’s going to disarm first? If the Russians disarm and fuck off home then yeah, war’s over. But what you’ve actually got are genocidal murderers and rapists trying to destroy a nation of people, and you in your armchair saying that we should allow it to continue. These are actual, real people. But feel free to head over there and spread the good word.
The aggressors can stop whenever they want to. Suggesting that Ukraine shouldn’t have the means to protect itself is utterly ignorant.
What the fuck has this got to do with right or left wing?
How are you gonna do that? Its a prisoner’s dilemma. You only need one regime (america/North Korea/ Russia…) to not abide. Good luck
With kind regards,
A “right winger(?)”
Meanwhile, the people in Maui who lost their homes and everything they’ve ever owned get a one time payment of $700.
These jets were already sold to the Danes and Dutch, we’re just giving them the green light to send planes made by us to Ukraine to help free their people from oppressors
If they had instead sent those F-16s to the people of Maui they could have dropped napalm to create a firebreak ahead of the fire, saving hundreds of lives
A-10s would have been much better suited for that.
I don’t see how F16s would help them but maybe an airshow would spread the Spirit of Aloha.
Youre right, the Dutch should donate their old F16s to the suffering people of Maui because… Uhhh…
Because, damn it! Because!
As much as I hate the idea that America is a capitalist hellscape that minces the poor to make ‘line go up’.
Sometimes there’s this unfortunate coincidence where the military industrial complex inadvertently does some good.
Russians are going to learn why America doesn’t have the money for universal healthcare.
As much as I appreciate the sentiment I am pretty sure universal healthcare would cost the country less than medicaid and medicare; or so I have heard.
Less than Medicaid, Medicare, and what everyone is paying individually added together.
Makes sense
You are right…. There should be a climate damage levy imposed on Exxon to help cover these extreme weather events and the people directly affected by their actions.
Funny how nobody ever makes these sorts of comments about, say, money we spend paying farmers to not grow corn, or money we spend on overpriced or useless weapons systems for our own military, or even specifically the military aid we give to wealthier, less deserving countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel; it’s always Ukraine that brings out the “how come we aren’t spending money on X” people.
They’re either paid shills, or braindead useful idiots. Russia cultivates both types for propaganda.
You know I’ve been noticing a heck of a lot of communists on Lemmy the past week. It’s crazy, there’s this whole gaggle of people posting on socialism, hex bear, Games, vegan topics and related threads.
What do Communists have to do with right wingers falling for Russian propaganda?
A particular type of Communist colloquially known as “tankies” tend to suck up the Russian propaganda the same way alt-right people do.
Tankies are hardcore authoritarians who pretends to be Communists. Let’s not confound the two.
I think everybody who’s reading this thread is going to fail to see the connection you’re trying to draw between Hawaiian Electric and light and the Ukrainian military.
Unless you have some sort of evidence that Ukraine owns and operates Hawaiian Electric and will somehow benefit from Hawaiians losing their ancestral homes.
I mean, I’ve seen some stupid conspiracies of my time but this is just dumb.
in international weapons sales manufacturer’s country retains some degree of control over equipment even after sale, especially for heavy equipment like any aircraft, SPGs, SAMs, tanks and so on. so for example if Country A sells jets to Country B to serve in Country B’s air force, that’s all clear, but if then Country B wants to sell them somewhere else, it has to get Country A’s approval. otherwise, if these jets mysteriously find themselves in Country C’s air force, that happens to be enemy of Country A, then Country B can probably forget about any weapon deals with Country A and their allies for a long long time in addition to diplomatic mess it would cause
this is that approval given from usa to nederlands and denmark, no money is involved
there was little shitshow about it early in the war, because ammo for gepards was made in switzerland, and they didn’t approve of sale from germany to ukraine
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Technically, Maui was invaded—by the US.
So you’re saying, with the F-16s sent away, now is Maui’s time to strike back
It was a long game but it worked.
They waited until they gained the US’s trust, got everyone drunk off delicious tiki drinks, and redirected military defences.
I, for one, welcome our new grass skirt and island time overlords.
They must still have the 8 to 14 artillery pieces and the 1 gatling gun tucked away somewhere
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Love you Vanky faggots, you always say such silly things