Dude, that’s not the point, the point is, the info was right there, and now, it’s not… it’s frustrating when you know that someone had the exact same issue as you and asked on reddit and there was a reply that solves the problem, but someone protesting thought it was a good idea to delete all of his/hers comments, plus the user 😒.
I agree with protesting, but this is just… excuse the language, but idiotic IMO.
Be mad at Reddit for fucking shit up. Also, since ChatGPT has this information since it likely scraped reddit before the purge you can ask it in an extremely detailed prompt and you might get it. Works for me like 7/9 times.
Listen man, I rely on the internet as much as the next guy but if Reddit shitting the bed is gonna fuck you over this hard maybe you need to reassess your problem solving skills.
My dude, what do my problem solving skills have to do with anything? If the post were still there you would not need to ask a chatbot to get a probably maybe correct answer, you’d have the correct answer. Its simple as that.
I know what you’re saying, but protest is supposed to be disruptive, so yeah. Reddit’s only a host for that information, it’s the right of the person to rip that comment off the internet, nothing idiotic about it. Giving Reddit the information to monetize while quitting is like paying the shop that rip you off while stomping out the store.
Do ask the question here though, maybe someone else can help.
I asked the same question on the Void comm here, no replies 😒.
Some people just don’t get it, some subs will never shift over to Lemmy… ever. The Void sub is a perfect example, their sub is their help/troubleshooting forum. It’s a means to an end for them and the maintainers will never ever shift over here. Too unstable and unusuable for them. Basically, they don’t care about reddit policy or API pricing, it doesn’t affect them, it’s a niche sub. And the number of people on Lemmy that use Void is… just close to none… and even if there are some, they probably don’t know how to fix the problem I’ve been having since I asked and there were no replies. I litelarly copy/pasted the same title and text there, on reddit whwn I asked the question.
Maybe this person deleted their content for some other reason. It happens all the time, I’ve come across gobs and gobs of deleted comments and that was well before the protests.
Sure more people deleted stuff because of the protests, but tons of people did so either way. I was one of them. My comments never stayed live for more than a week or two.
Mostly because some of what I shared was deeply personal anecdotes, and I didn’t want that information readily accessible as an aggregate to anyone who wanted to stalk my profile.
Sure, all that shit was archived, and someone who really wanted to could see it, but it was just an extra layer of protection as a woman on the internet sharing personal things. Made it just that much harder to use myself against me.
Rather than trying to figure out what to save or get rid of, I purged all of it manually.
It also gave me an opportunity to review my comments and the context, in case there were ways I could improve how I approached things.
Oh, yeah, makes sence in that case. Thought it was some other general information, like troubleshooting info.
I can get behind stuff like this, sure, but not with stuff like I posted 😒. There was valuable info there that could’ve solved my problem in an instant, but I just had to go the long way around 😒.
Some of it was troubleshooting stuff, some of it was helpful advice for setup and problem solving for a variety of things, and a ton of it was educational top-level comments that provided the whole context for the threads under them. I had some 500k karma on a 4 year old account, and 0 posts. Everything was purged regardless, because I felt like it.
It’s not my job to retain information for the future, but you can look at an archive of it anyway if it really matters to read, so it’s not actually a huge loss in most cases. Just more work for you.
No, as a rule, but with a few exceptions. I have deleted maybe 10 comments and 1 post (and the post was sort of a test, it didn’t matter, I just wanted to see what happens when you get upvotes and delete the post - it was my kitten, and it sort of broke my post upvote count until I posted again, so useful information, same with comments, so idk how many I even have now).
I’m leaving my comments intact here because the platform needs that, and I am absolutely a team player, but I have drastically changed the way I interact so that’s an ok thing for me.
Eventually, when they get discovery sorted for small servers, I’ll make a secondary account on my own self-host server for more personal stuff, so I can have better control of my information. It just wasn’t something I bothered with on Reddit, I was a very small and largely insignificant part of Reddit.
Discovery is never gonna work on the fediverse. Info is too scattered. Sure, large servers will get discovered, but not smaller ones. They come and go, URLs change… it’s a mess.
If someone is against how a website operates, why would they continue to freely contribute things that would give profits to that website? People found out random specific information before reddit, and people will still be able to find that information after reddit.
Personally, I look at it as I’m grateful that people freely share such information in the first place. When information is this available to find (we have almost the entire internet’s worth of resources), I’m not going to complain that I can’t find it on one website.
Having attitudes like the one in this post can discourage people from sharing these things in the first place. No one wants to feel obligated to change their personal accounts to suit the liking of complete strangers, especially after they’re ready to move on. No one will want to be helpful if it just leads to complaints and grievances. Life’s just too short to deal with that noise, frankly.
Some of these posts are almost implying that an individual person providing valuable information for free for multiple years isn’t enough anymore. It implies that your own morals and wants don’t matter anymore, if someone else has to look a little longer to find something.
I’m sorry, I’m just sick of all the complaining and the expectations being placed on complete strangers to likely go against their own morals. Just use other websites, or create your own community. No one is beholden to go against their own morals just because it makes searching easier. That is not a great thing to expect of others.
You don’t see the problem here… I’m sorry, I just can’t see a common ground on which we can discuss this problem.
And I have shared info for free as well, wheter it be reddit or some other place, doesn’t matter… and I will continue to do it… and it will never ever occur to me to delete said data from any site or social media, forum, whatever. Data and info is just too valuable IMO and not you or me has the right to remove it once it’s been shared. That’s my stand on things. Most people won’t agree with this, but this is my reasoning.
I totally agree with you. The protests were fine, but “hur dur delete my account and everything on it so noone can ever see it again” was a fucking stupid idea when you’re protesting for the freedom of the internet.
They’re gonna profit regardless if you leave the info there or not, AI has already scraped that info. The only ones that get the sharper end of the stick are users like you and me when troubleshooting.
Well, no, if the information isn’t there, it won’t show in searches.
If it doesn’t show in searches, nobody clicks into reddit for that info.
If nobody clicks in, no ads are served.
Removing our information directly cuts their ability to profit from anyone that does so. Will they still make profit from other users? Absolutely.
But, huffpig himself declared that our words and expertise were his to make profit from. He didn’t even mince words, he said our collective writing was reddit’s “corpus of data”, that the information we supplied, and the tracking/data gathering reddit does is only valuable in terms of what it gains him via reddit.
Again, anyone is free to make their own choice about whether to delete comments and posts or not. But it is ours to delete. You do not own my writing, nor are you entitled to access it if I choose to remove it. The same is true of your writing there (or here). If you choose to delete it, tough shit for me, I’ll have to find a dedicated forum elsewhere.
To say otherwise, you lead down a road where people start thinking that others are required to provide expertise ad infinitum, and that just isn’t true. Copyrights alone prevent that, and anything on reddit would still be held as the writer’s property. While I am piracy friendly even with my actual writing that is also sold, that is my Copyright, not anyone else’s. If anyone wants to profit from it, it is my right to seek redress.
Big or small, helpful or useless, the ability to control our writings is a fairly clear legal right.
Exactly my thoughts… just leave man, I left as well 🤷. They won’t get any more info from you but leave the info alone, it’s valuable when people troubleshoot online.
Dude, that’s not the point, the point is, the info was right there, and now, it’s not… it’s frustrating when you know that someone had the exact same issue as you and asked on reddit and there was a reply that solves the problem, but someone protesting thought it was a good idea to delete all of his/hers comments, plus the user 😒.
I agree with protesting, but this is just… excuse the language, but idiotic IMO.
Be mad at Reddit for fucking shit up. Also, since ChatGPT has this information since it likely scraped reddit before the purge you can ask it in an extremely detailed prompt and you might get it. Works for me like 7/9 times.
OK, will try that as well.
Wow. Great. And if that post were still viewable it would work like 1/1 time.
Listen man, I rely on the internet as much as the next guy but if Reddit shitting the bed is gonna fuck you over this hard maybe you need to reassess your problem solving skills.
My dude, what do my problem solving skills have to do with anything? If the post were still there you would not need to ask a chatbot to get a probably maybe correct answer, you’d have the correct answer. Its simple as that.
You obviously have a problem to solve if you are looking for answers on the internet ya dingus.
Oh really, and where are you searching for answers when troubleshooting, the library 😒?Sorry, read it wrong 😁.
I actually do read documentation more than I read forums. Check libraries out dude. Theres comments in there on the good ones.
Sometimes, there is no documentation for the problem you’re having, especially if you’re dealing with proprietery solutions.
But did you try stack overflow?
I mean that’s going to shit to atm with their recent dustup with the community.
Only 9/11 i think but close
I know what you’re saying, but protest is supposed to be disruptive, so yeah. Reddit’s only a host for that information, it’s the right of the person to rip that comment off the internet, nothing idiotic about it. Giving Reddit the information to monetize while quitting is like paying the shop that rip you off while stomping out the store.
Do ask the question here though, maybe someone else can help.
I asked the same question on the Void comm here, no replies 😒.
Some people just don’t get it, some subs will never shift over to Lemmy… ever. The Void sub is a perfect example, their sub is their help/troubleshooting forum. It’s a means to an end for them and the maintainers will never ever shift over here. Too unstable and unusuable for them. Basically, they don’t care about reddit policy or API pricing, it doesn’t affect them, it’s a niche sub. And the number of people on Lemmy that use Void is… just close to none… and even if there are some, they probably don’t know how to fix the problem I’ve been having since I asked and there were no replies. I litelarly copy/pasted the same title and text there, on reddit whwn I asked the question.
Or, and hear me out here…
Maybe this person deleted their content for some other reason. It happens all the time, I’ve come across gobs and gobs of deleted comments and that was well before the protests.
Sure more people deleted stuff because of the protests, but tons of people did so either way. I was one of them. My comments never stayed live for more than a week or two.
Could I ask why you would delete your own comments after a week of two?
Mostly because some of what I shared was deeply personal anecdotes, and I didn’t want that information readily accessible as an aggregate to anyone who wanted to stalk my profile.
Sure, all that shit was archived, and someone who really wanted to could see it, but it was just an extra layer of protection as a woman on the internet sharing personal things. Made it just that much harder to use myself against me.
Rather than trying to figure out what to save or get rid of, I purged all of it manually.
It also gave me an opportunity to review my comments and the context, in case there were ways I could improve how I approached things.
Oh, yeah, makes sence in that case. Thought it was some other general information, like troubleshooting info.
I can get behind stuff like this, sure, but not with stuff like I posted 😒. There was valuable info there that could’ve solved my problem in an instant, but I just had to go the long way around 😒.
Some of it was troubleshooting stuff, some of it was helpful advice for setup and problem solving for a variety of things, and a ton of it was educational top-level comments that provided the whole context for the threads under them. I had some 500k karma on a 4 year old account, and 0 posts. Everything was purged regardless, because I felt like it.
It’s not my job to retain information for the future, but you can look at an archive of it anyway if it really matters to read, so it’s not actually a huge loss in most cases. Just more work for you.
You delete comments here as well?
No, as a rule, but with a few exceptions. I have deleted maybe 10 comments and 1 post (and the post was sort of a test, it didn’t matter, I just wanted to see what happens when you get upvotes and delete the post - it was my kitten, and it sort of broke my post upvote count until I posted again, so useful information, same with comments, so idk how many I even have now).
I’m leaving my comments intact here because the platform needs that, and I am absolutely a team player, but I have drastically changed the way I interact so that’s an ok thing for me.
Eventually, when they get discovery sorted for small servers, I’ll make a secondary account on my own self-host server for more personal stuff, so I can have better control of my information. It just wasn’t something I bothered with on Reddit, I was a very small and largely insignificant part of Reddit.
Discovery is never gonna work on the fediverse. Info is too scattered. Sure, large servers will get discovered, but not smaller ones. They come and go, URLs change… it’s a mess.
If someone is against how a website operates, why would they continue to freely contribute things that would give profits to that website? People found out random specific information before reddit, and people will still be able to find that information after reddit.
Personally, I look at it as I’m grateful that people freely share such information in the first place. When information is this available to find (we have almost the entire internet’s worth of resources), I’m not going to complain that I can’t find it on one website.
Having attitudes like the one in this post can discourage people from sharing these things in the first place. No one wants to feel obligated to change their personal accounts to suit the liking of complete strangers, especially after they’re ready to move on. No one will want to be helpful if it just leads to complaints and grievances. Life’s just too short to deal with that noise, frankly.
Some of these posts are almost implying that an individual person providing valuable information for free for multiple years isn’t enough anymore. It implies that your own morals and wants don’t matter anymore, if someone else has to look a little longer to find something.
I’m sorry, I’m just sick of all the complaining and the expectations being placed on complete strangers to likely go against their own morals. Just use other websites, or create your own community. No one is beholden to go against their own morals just because it makes searching easier. That is not a great thing to expect of others.
You don’t see the problem here… I’m sorry, I just can’t see a common ground on which we can discuss this problem.
And I have shared info for free as well, wheter it be reddit or some other place, doesn’t matter… and I will continue to do it… and it will never ever occur to me to delete said data from any site or social media, forum, whatever. Data and info is just too valuable IMO and not you or me has the right to remove it once it’s been shared. That’s my stand on things. Most people won’t agree with this, but this is my reasoning.
People have been scrubbing their accounts and comments for the past ten years on Reddit, long before these current protests.
Yes, and? It was not a better idea then than it is now. Actually it was worse then since it wasn’t related to any protest.
I can’t imagine why you’re trying so hard to be upset about the idea of people being able to control their own work.
I totally agree with you. The protests were fine, but “hur dur delete my account and everything on it so noone can ever see it again” was a fucking stupid idea when you’re protesting for the freedom of the internet.
So, leaving your knowledge there for a company to profit from is okay for you.
It isn’t for everyone.
They’re gonna profit regardless if you leave the info there or not, AI has already scraped that info. The only ones that get the sharper end of the stick are users like you and me when troubleshooting.
Well, no, if the information isn’t there, it won’t show in searches.
If it doesn’t show in searches, nobody clicks into reddit for that info.
If nobody clicks in, no ads are served.
Removing our information directly cuts their ability to profit from anyone that does so. Will they still make profit from other users? Absolutely.
But, huffpig himself declared that our words and expertise were his to make profit from. He didn’t even mince words, he said our collective writing was reddit’s “corpus of data”, that the information we supplied, and the tracking/data gathering reddit does is only valuable in terms of what it gains him via reddit.
Again, anyone is free to make their own choice about whether to delete comments and posts or not. But it is ours to delete. You do not own my writing, nor are you entitled to access it if I choose to remove it. The same is true of your writing there (or here). If you choose to delete it, tough shit for me, I’ll have to find a dedicated forum elsewhere.
To say otherwise, you lead down a road where people start thinking that others are required to provide expertise ad infinitum, and that just isn’t true. Copyrights alone prevent that, and anything on reddit would still be held as the writer’s property. While I am piracy friendly even with my actual writing that is also sold, that is my Copyright, not anyone else’s. If anyone wants to profit from it, it is my right to seek redress.
Big or small, helpful or useless, the ability to control our writings is a fairly clear legal right.
Exactly my thoughts… just leave man, I left as well 🤷. They won’t get any more info from you but leave the info alone, it’s valuable when people troubleshoot online.