• Atemu@lemmy.ml
        16·
        16 days ago

        staging rebuild cycles only happen every two weeks or so.

        The reason is always that something changed and causes all dependent packages to change, requiring a rebuild of those too.

      • Fonzie!@ttrpg.network
        2·
        14 days ago

        It looks like it’s Debian’s logo in the bottom left and that that’s apt output.

        EDIT Nope, that’s pacman output, seems like they ssh’d into another arch-machine.

  • beleza pura@lemmy.eco.br
    35·
    15 days ago

    people laughed at me for choosing debian. they asked why i chose to have ancient runes running in my computer

    who’s laughing now?

    • PushButton@lemmy.world
      7·
      15 days ago

      We are still laughing, no worries.

      p.s. Debian is great, I am just a “kind of new” void converted.

      • beleza pura@lemmy.eco.br
        1·
        15 days ago

        went looking for it. “stable rolling release” sounds really interesting, but i’m scared of installing it and being mistaken for a systemd hater

        • PushButton@lemmy.world
          1·
          15 days ago

          Yeah, systemd hater or not, runit is quite fabulous Imo.

          Some software with a hard requirement on systemd will not work, of course. I believe it is possible to run void using systemd, I’ve never tried though.

          I really like runit, but once it’s configured, like systemd, I mostly just don’t see it anymore - you know what I mean…

          Give it a shot, for me it’s the packaging system, take a look at it and at the github “void-repository”.

          I really like how it’s working, the simplicity of it, create your own package, your own repository, etc.

          The killer features, for me, isn’t really runit, but the stability of a rolling distro with the xbps package system.

  • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    15 days ago

    I have an Arch laptop that I didn’t update for 3.5 years. The system update took a while when I finally went through with it. Amazingly it didn’t break anything!

    • SunRed@discuss.tchncs.de
      101·
      15 days ago

      Yes, I am amazed that quite a few people in this thread are saying they ‘had to completely reinstall the os’ and that it broke everything after not much time. As long as one doesn’t rely on the AUR for system critical packages or much in generel, it is incredibly hard to break an Arch system (Manjaro and other Arch-based distros don’t count). This is due in part to Arch being quite reproducible but it also having very good maintainership.
      It doesn’t hurt to apply new package configs by going through pacdiff once in a while though.

      Edit: Typo

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        15 days ago

        Manjaro and other Arch-based distros don’t count

        I think this has a lot to do with it. I have seen people say they use Arch before and then find out they’re using a derivative.

      • asqapro@reddthat.com
        4·
        15 days ago

        I switched from Windows to EndeavourOS a few months ago and haven’t had any issues on my personal computer, it’s amazing.

        I also have EndeavourOS as a VM on my work laptop and I somehow managed to break systemd-boot when trying to do a system update though. The system update died halfway through and I defaulted to the classic solution of rebooting, which definitely made things worse because my boot partition in the VM broke. The great thing about Linux, and especially Arch, is the tools and knowledge readily available to fix things and everything was working again (with no data loss) in under 15 minutes. I’ve dealt with similar problems on Windows and either had to accept data loss or deal with significant headaches trying to resolve what should be a simple issue because the operating system refuses to provide basic information.

      • Fonzie!@ttrpg.network
        11·
        14 days ago

        I ran a base-Arch with i3 before, I got tired of restoring backups and fixing things and went back to Debian. It broke too quickly by its defaults in my experience.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    245·
    16 days ago

    Sometimes I wish someone would make a an Arch box and come back to it years later to see the updates it has missed.

    But that’s assuming an Arch box would be reliable enough to stay alive that long lol.

    Always heard of 20+ year old bsd and debian machines chugging along with no issue.

    • Ephera@lemmy.mlEnglish
      12·
      16 days ago

      It won’t rise much beyond that, since you only get one update per package. Whether it’s upgrading Firefox from version 120 to 121 or to version 130, it doesn’t change much in terms of download size, nor the number of updates.

      At least, I assume, Arch doesn’t do differential updates. On some of the slower-moving distributions, they only make you download the actual changes to the files within the packages. In that case, jumping to 121 vs. 130 would make more of a difference.

      If you do want lots of package updates, you need lots of packages. The texlive-full package is always a fun one in that regard…

    • nous@programming.devEnglish
      121·
      16 days ago

      I have updated arch systems that had not been powered on for years before. It was fine. No issues what so ever. Arch is not some flaky distro that breaks if you look away for a minute. My main system has had had the same install for over 5 years now and I regularly forget to update it for months at a time. Again, no issues.

      • kautau@lemmy.world
        5·
        16 days ago

        Yeah really the biggest issue I could see is pacman’s keyring being so out of date that it has to be manually refreshed with a new one

    • Tekhne@sh.itjust.works
      6·
      16 days ago

      I had that on a physical machine! It broke hardcore lol I had to reinstall the OS after trying to update

      • superkret@feddit.org
        14·
        16 days ago

        Yes, you can. You can even update Arch after a year. But you’ll have to do a few more steps than just pacman -Syu

      • MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml
        6·
        15 days ago

        I used Tumbleweed for eight years with no problems. I only moved to EndeavourOS because Suse bared their corporate teeth and I got fed up being a couple of generations behind on the Nvidia drivers. EndeavourOS is also good.

      • WeAreAllOne@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        15 days ago

        Used tumbleweed for ages. No issues. Switched to slowroll again with no issues. Now trying fedora. All with Kde plasma.

    • dan@upvote.au
      2·
      16 days ago

      My personal prod systems never have many upgrades… But they’re running Debian stable and I have unattended-upgrades installed and configured.

  • dingdongitsabear@lemmy.ml
    81·
    16 days ago

    I’m sorry, I gotta - you have the menu on AND the button bar? like, why? you click on those things? you got your screen real-estate on a sale, what?

    • cevn@lemmy.world
      1·
      15 days ago

      Ya I turn those off too haha. Hide the scrollbar too… Then press F11. Terminal man…

    • idefix@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      15 days ago

      Are you talking about the 2 bars at the top of the window? If yes, I find them more useful than the used space. Probably a matter of taste

      • dingdongitsabear@lemmy.ml
        2·
        15 days ago

        oh, of course, sorry if I came off harsh. it’s just, I escaped Gnome’s gigantic title bars and useless buttons in it occupying like half the screen, and couldn’t wait to turn it all off in Konsole, so I’m kinda baffled with anyone having them on. just FYI, check out the keyboard shortcuts for Konsole and you’ll boost your productivity considerably.

        edit: this one’s mine. there are many like it but this one’s mine.

        • Zombie@feddit.uk
          3·
          15 days ago

          Keyboard shortcuts mean memorising. Some people have issues with memory. On-screen buttons mean no memorising.

          That’s the cool thing about Linux. You can customise it to your own needs and desires. Everybody is different.

        • idefix@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          15 days ago

          Sorry I just realised I was wrong and I did not have the menu bar by default. I don’t really notice it anymore… Screenshot of Konsole

  • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
    103·
    15 days ago

    This is why I Dont use rolling release Distros on Pcs i wont use often.

    • GHiLA@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      15 days ago

      I used to care but with recovery tools being what they are and most apps being containers… my base systems tend to be a little more disposable.

      That said, I haven’t had problems, even if I am at risk for more of them. I have my snapshots and my backups.