With that recent post about chrome os not counting as a distro of linux. It does bring a good question, what is a distro of linux?
If Linux is just a kernel then android and chrome os are Linux. Bur no really considers android a distro of linux. So linux is more then a kernel.
KDE say that neon is not a distro but doesn’t really why neon is not but kubuntu is.
Linux is just a kernel in the same sense that a disto is just a package manager and an init system. Technically that’s the case but colloquially a distro is any set of curated, pre-configured packages with an install script.
which would make chrome, android, and neon all distros
Yea.
Chrome OS is 100% a distro by induction, because Gentoo is a distro and Chrome OS is based on Gentoo.
As for Android: I’d say it is a distro, but most people think of desktop or server OSs when they talk about distros these days. Obviously it’s neither of these.
KDE Neon is a testing vehicle for new KDE software. The devs don’t consider it a distro because it’s not meant to distribute anything. It’s for testing and they don’t (have to) beyond that. So this has nothing to do with how this OS behaves, looks or whatever.
Idk I know they don’t fit into the usual open source box of Linux but I’d consider Android and ChromeOS as Linux distros, a distro is just a collection of software distributed with the Linux kernel as far as I’m aware. If someone doesn’t consider them “Linux distros” it’s probably due to the proprietary nature of some of the software surrounding the kernel. No idea why kde thinks neon isnt a distro when it literally is.
Edit: in the case of chrome os it’s not even just built around the kernel, it’s based on a distro.
If it distributes Linux, it’s a distro. Thus ChromeOS, Android, Windows are all Linux distros.
If you have a different definition, best you can do with it is go brighten up some lawyer’s day, I guess.
Ah the most popular distro Windows
Windows
Uhhh, well I’d say it’s more like a hypervisor if we’re really pushing it with WSL
Windows distributes Linux, through its repositories, ergo Windows a Linux distribution.
What does it do with it then – acts as a hypervisor or sings its source aloud backwards – is an orthogonal question.
What does it do with it then […] is an orthogonal question.
Hm, ok if we take the word “distribution” for it lexical meaning then maybe, although wouldn’t that be “distributor”?
In this field “distribution” is the set of things that constitute the software package, by extension, in the case of free software, it is more a synonym of “flavor” since anyone can redistribute with their own changes added on top. You wouldn’t call a supermarket a Cocacola distribution, it’s a distributor, but the drinks themselves are the distributions (tho in my mind “distributed” sounds more fitting at this point).
If having a system of OS and server, both property of one maker, where the server distributes a form of an OS x (even just the source code) and the client OS can download those files, make the OS a distribution of x, then I can set up a computer with e.g. OpenBSD (with my own modifications to make it mine) that downloads an Ubuntu ISO from my server, then I load up that ISO into a virtual machine and now I magically turned OpenBSD into an Ubuntu distribution??Me OMW to argue my pointless argument
You wouldn’t call a supermarket a Cocacola distribution
Only because it’s kinda unconventional to buy oneself some Coca-Cola by purchasing an entire supermarket.
I would still call a combo meal “a Coca-Cola distribution”, and whoever sells it to me a “Coca-Cola distributor”.
I can set up a computer with e.g. OpenBSD (with my own modifications to make it mine) that downloads an Ubuntu ISO from my server, then I load up that ISO into a virtual machine and now I magically turned OpenBSD into an Ubuntu distribution??
my server
You’re now a distributor of Ubuntu (regardless of the OpenBSD-based thingie), and your version of OpenBSD is an Ubuntu distribution. If, however, your hypothetical OpenBSD-based distro pulled all the Ubuntu bits from ubuntu.com, it would’ve been just an distribution of an Ubuntu installer.
My understanding is that is has to have a certain level of the GNU core utilities in combination with the Kernel but yeah not really, it’s hard to define, maybe the use of a package manager? Definitely nothing to do with GUI, probably a philosophy in mind, not sure at all to be honest.
It is hard. We had Chimera Linux posted here yesterday, which has no GNU code at all. None of the early Linux distributions had package managers. The best I can tell, “pms” (package management system) written for Bogus Linux in 1993 was the earliest, but package management didn’t hit the mainstream until at least 1995. Slackware didn’t get a package manager until the mid-2000s. But we still all consider them distributions. (Right?)
a certain level of the GNU core utilities
Wouldn’t that make Alpine, or OpenWRT, not a distro?
@joel_feila@lemmy.world chromeos is a distro and android is also a distro
The way I see it, a Linux distribution:
- Boots the Linux kernel
- Has open-source software at its core
- Provides an “easy bootstrap” system.
- Does not outright prevent modification of system software. (This excludes ChromeOS/Android)
- This does not exclude immutable distros, as system software can still be modded as root).
I do like this answer since it gets to why chrome/android is excluded.
To riff on “A language is just a dialect with a navy”, I’d define it as “a distro is just a package manager with a LiveUSB image”.
ChromeOS is not a GNU operating system, nor are many distributions of android. There are a lot of moving parts to an complete operating system. Even if Google uses a copylefted linux kernel and package manager Portage (GPLv2), they are still allowed to implement their own nonfree components to the OS such as a Google Chrome based desktop (Unlike with the GPLv3 which would force the entire OS to be copylefted).
Perhaps if ChromeOS were a free operating system (or at least something on par with Debian or Fedora’s committment to libre software) this argument would be trivial and we would all be happy calling it Linux, but as it stands there is still a clear distinction between ChromeOS and GNU/Linux and it would be misleading not to point them out. Corporations deserve libre software (they are important contributors), but us users deserve it too.
… KDE Neon is an extension on an Ubuntu base with the latest KDE applications. Whether you call it a linux distribution or not is based on your preferences (and the maintainers). I would call it a GNU/Linux distribution since it provides an installer and live OS image that is based around libre software.
Does Android really even use the Linux Kernel anymore? I thought they forked it about 15 years ago and at this point it has diverged so much its not even really the Linux kernel anymore.
No, it absolutely uses a Linux kernel.
Dude literally months ago smartphones with android 12 were affected by dirty pipe, that was available only for kernel versions between 5.8 and 5.10.101!
I think your talking about project fuchsia. Which hasbt gotten out of early development
Yes i Read that that’s why i asled