Somehow, I feel like the federated network is still centralized, because there is still censorship; it’s just distributed across more servers.

I mean, it definitely gives users more rights to free speech, and I’m not worried about privacy issues. However, the removal of content and the banning of accounts are things that are diminishing my passion for sharing my thoughts publicly(on reddit).

I just dont want this happened on here but I am seeing some…

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    I can’t help but feel that you’re conflating censorship with centralization. A defederated network just means that the servers you’re on will choose what they’d like to censor. Running your own server or looking for one which you probably agree with is something which may work for you, while giving others the ability to defederate and not have to read what you’re saying.

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    However, the removal of content and the banning of accounts are things that are diminishing my passion for sharing my thoughts publicly(on reddit).

    I just dont want this happened on here but I am seeing some…

    Those post/comment removal and user banning are for a good reason. For every one innocent content removed there’s a large amount of harmful content removed as well.

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      yeah this seems like a self tell…

      what is it they want to say that’s getting them banned?

      I’ve literally never been banned off a platform before.

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    Censorship is also decentralised which means no single entity will be able to completely control the information, but that doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want without consequence of all the decentralised instances agreeing that particular information should not be shared. Decentralisation does not guarantee you an audience!

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    Its decentralized nature isn’t due to censorship, or a lack of it, but its structure. Of course there’s going to be some degree of censorship because instances all have individual rules which, if you break, you’ll be penalized for which can take the form of removal of content.

    The only way to have total free speech is create your own instance which is a total free for all but then you’ll attract the worst sort of people and your instance will end up defederated by instance owners who don’t want content from literal Nazis federated to their instances.

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      That second paragraph highlights exactly how the Fediverse works. If you’re a shitty friend, no one will want to be friends with you.

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    Your right to choose is the same as everybody else’s right to choose. You can decide to post something, and others can decide they don’t want to see it. Decentralized just means there is no one entity to make those decisions for you.

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    Start your own instance and community. Post whatever the hell you like.

    Then other instances choose whether to defederate. They federate by default.

    There is no single point of control (centralisation) which decides what is seen on all instances.

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    Monero.town is very lax when it comes to moderation as long as you don’t say anything that could get you arrested in Germany.

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      You can absolutely have free speech, but nobody is forced to actually listen to you.

      Which is good, because in the real world, every place that has “zero censorship” rapidly devolves into a Nazi invested shithole.

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        Ya, I agree with you that no one is forced to actually listen to me, but removing content… I mean, I was spending a lot of time writing those and looking for replies, but they just remove it before anyone sees it… That sucks.

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          No one is required to host your content, spread your voice, give you a platform. You really need to stop using the term “freedom of speech” here. It means something totally different. Publisher won’t print your book? “Censorship!” This is what you sound like.

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            Okay okay, stop being so angry about it man, you know I am talking about ‘censorship’ when I say ‘fos’

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    The great thing about this system though is that you can always create an account on your own instance, and interact with any instance that hasn’t been defederated from you.

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        They can ban your account from a particular instance, but you always move to or create a new one.

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          I see, kind of like Nostr, right? But what about all the history, like messages and communities, that I was following from the other account?

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    I think “polycentric” is a better term than “decentralized.”

    Every instance is a center, and is vulnerable to failure and corruption like any service provider. But at least we have a choice of instances, and there isn’t a single point of failure for the whole network.

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      I don’t think you quite understand what ‘decentralized’ means. Decentralization means there’s no central server, implying no data collection, no restrictions or moderation, and no banning.

      Furthermore, it won’t corrupt when a single node breaks down. This is because a decentralized network is essentially built by all users within the network. Whenever one user quits or a node breaks down, there are always other nodes/users available to maintain the network. That’s the essence of a decentralized network.

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        Implying no data collection, no restrictions or moderation, and no banning

        That is absolutely incorrect. All of those things can and do exist but it is dependent on each instance. There isn’t a single entity controlling those things, each fediverse instance decides for themselves. One instance could collect everything you do, restrict what you post, moderate what users post and comment, and ban users as they please.

        Decentralisation doesn’t mean “no rules”

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    In this case I think WireMin could be a choice, they are 100% decentralized, so no censorship and pretty secure, its e2ee