EDIT2 : I’m not saying anything regarding the quality of any of the trilogies (1-3 , 4-6 , 7-9) , people hated and adored them all for different reasons, but the inevitability of nostalgia or disney shills are inevitable.
EDIT 3 : My dad , in the 90s, seeing the 50s, 60s and 70s nostalgia themed stuff was talking about how there was no 80s nostalgia because the 80s sucked. You guys are probably aware of the avalanche of 80s nostalgia stuff from the past two decades, and 90s are coming back at the moment, albeit slowly.
Nostalgia is inevitable. With all the damn kids going to disneyworld’s star wars section and the bb8 advertising on everything including oranges when the film came out, you can bet your ass that when those kids grow up, they’re going to be nostalgic about star wars 7-9.
And you know what? I’m willing to bet 20 years after Star wars 10-12 comes out, not only are the kids that see it when it comes out will be nostalgic for it, I’m willing to bet they’re going to hate on episodes 15-18.
I’ve been wondering about this for a while. Silly as the prequels were, they were still the result of one person’s vision and tried to tell a story. The new ones are neither, theyre corperate and disconnected from each other. So will they be met with the same nostalgia and re-examination that the prequels got? I really don’t know
Prequel nostalgia exists because kids at the time liked them, and are now able to push back against existing criticism from older fans. There won’t be sequel nostalgia, because kids today simply don’t give a shit about Star Wars, so they’re not going grow up and decide to push back against sequel criticism.
@TallonMetroid@Lyre The prequels were largely saved by the the Clone Wars animated series as well. I don’t see how that happens for the sequel trilogy.
Thats interesting, I was always under the impression that the animated series came out as a response to changing opinions about the prequels, not the other way around. But the more I think about it maybe the timeline doesn’t work out so you’re probably right
True, i think superheroes probably fill that niche in cultural zeitgeist for kids growing up nowadays. So i wonder if we’ll see a similar phenomenon happen with something like Batman vs Superman or some other superhero property that was critically panned
I totally agree with you, the magic of star wars is largely a product of Lucas’s mind. Sometimes newer installments capture flickers of that magic, but it’s pretty sporadic these days, definitely not enough to build a foundation of nostalgia. Plus, there’s little to no philosophical message in the sequels, so their value rests entirely on the action and dialogue, which was kind of lackluster compared to the execution of the previous movies.
A large part of the magic of Star Wars, for me at least, didn’t really have much to do with Lucas. It was the EU books and comics, how they expanded the world and made the characters much more than simple archetypes.
The biggest thing about them, though, is they built off what was already in existence. They didn’t try and replace or re-imagine it, they just let what was be and made it more.
It didn’t always work (and quite often didn’t), but the beauty was that there wasn’t any really one thing you had to stick with to enjoy it. If you didn’t like one series or game or whatever? Don’t indulge in it.
The problem with the new movies, and even for a lot of the shows, is that they present it as “This is your Star Wars now.” It’s not a whole wide world, it’s just a focused idea of what a few people want to make… and a few people want desperately to sell to an audience.
That was something that really baffled me about the disney acquisition. They spent 4 billion on the property but never thought to have someone explain to them what actually made it profitable. It was the universe that people latched onto, thats what sold the merchandise and the novels and spin offs. Yet the new films seemed almost spitefully bent on ignoring all that
Another thing the sequels didn’t have: accompanying games. The gaps between movies weren’t filled exclusively by live action and animated series
Sure, only Revenge of the Sith actually had an actual “the movie the game”, but the 90s and early 2000s saw a number of amazing Star Wars games (and some less than stellar), most only partially related to movies, others with completely news stories, which definitely helped keep people interested in the universe, even if they didn’t like the movies. KOTOR, Republic Commando, Battlefront, X-Wing series, Dark Forces series.
Meanwhile, during the Disney years, we had Battlelootbox 1 and 2, Squadrons, Jedi Fallen Order+Survivor and… that’s about it (also some Lego Star Wars stuff). The mobile stuff might as well be SW skins of whatever is the current mobile trend.
No. The last movie ruined the entire trilogy. And I liked TLJ, but there was no overarching story to the trilogy and the whole thing was completely pointless, but mainly the last movie was so so fucking awful.
There is no fucking way anyone is going to appreciate them in 10 years. Sometimes movies just suck.
I’m very familiar with RLM. It’s a good critique. I still think it’s fairly accurate, but played way up for comedic value and virality . They are entertaining movies that fill in lore without fucking everything else up.
The best of the sequels can’t even be in the same continuity because of the change to hyperspace. The new canon was fucked up 15 minutes into the first god damned movie. Now I can enjoy the first two for what they are, but they aren’t part of any actual story, and the movie that ties them together is a garbage movie even if it weren’t Star Wars.
I mean maybe the future will prove me wrong, but I’d bet good money no one will give a positive fuck in 10 years.
the prequals introduced midiclorians and was hated for introducing it.
I am not commenting on the quality of any of the movies. Just the inevitability that people will get nostalgic about them in the future and defend them.
Midichlorians, you mean that one throwaway line that was mostly used as plot filler? That thing that people obsessed over for decades despite being less than a thousandth of a percent of the overall franchise?
George Lucas can’t write dialogue to save his life. By the time of the prequels he was put up on a pedestal and nobody would stand up to him like they did during the original films.
Ok I get that, but i might argue that at least the prequel writing has heart, and a purpose for the story. Do you genuinely believe the disney executive level writing in the sequels is better?
It’s less painful to watch. Meesa think you haven’t seen them back to back. As vapid as the sequels are I can turn my brain off and sit through them. The prequels bludgeon you in the face while watching them the entire time.
Meh, personally I’d still take the movie written by a human over the corperate ai, but i can see where you’re coming from. I dont exactly think theres a right answer when it comes to this particular debate
don’t worry, 10 years from now people will be treating the sequel trilogy the way the prequel trilogy is now.
Disney always wins their molten torch forever burns.
EDIT :
To those disagreeing :
You’re probably forgetting how badly the
originalprequel trilogy was percieved. here’s a reminder :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&list=PL5919C8DE6F720A2D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPt1am18lR4&list=PL56E3EB1DFD4B64A2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYWAHuFbLoc&list=PLJ_TJFLc25JTwinvdLo4PP2rTFfTd9Uhz
see you in 4 and a half hours!
EDIT2 : I’m not saying anything regarding the quality of any of the trilogies (1-3 , 4-6 , 7-9) , people hated and adored them all for different reasons, but the inevitability of nostalgia or disney shills are inevitable.
EDIT 3 : My dad , in the 90s, seeing the 50s, 60s and 70s nostalgia themed stuff was talking about how there was no 80s nostalgia because the 80s sucked. You guys are probably aware of the avalanche of 80s nostalgia stuff from the past two decades, and 90s are coming back at the moment, albeit slowly.
Nostalgia is inevitable. With all the damn kids going to disneyworld’s star wars section and the bb8 advertising on everything including oranges when the film came out, you can bet your ass that when those kids grow up, they’re going to be nostalgic about star wars 7-9.
And you know what? I’m willing to bet 20 years after Star wars 10-12 comes out, not only are the kids that see it when it comes out will be nostalgic for it, I’m willing to bet they’re going to hate on episodes 15-18.
I’ve been wondering about this for a while. Silly as the prequels were, they were still the result of one person’s vision and tried to tell a story. The new ones are neither, theyre corperate and disconnected from each other. So will they be met with the same nostalgia and re-examination that the prequels got? I really don’t know
Prequel nostalgia exists because kids at the time liked them, and are now able to push back against existing criticism from older fans. There won’t be sequel nostalgia, because kids today simply don’t give a shit about Star Wars, so they’re not going grow up and decide to push back against sequel criticism.
@TallonMetroid @Lyre The prequels were largely saved by the the Clone Wars animated series as well. I don’t see how that happens for the sequel trilogy.
Thats interesting, I was always under the impression that the animated series came out as a response to changing opinions about the prequels, not the other way around. But the more I think about it maybe the timeline doesn’t work out so you’re probably right
True, i think superheroes probably fill that niche in cultural zeitgeist for kids growing up nowadays. So i wonder if we’ll see a similar phenomenon happen with something like Batman vs Superman or some other superhero property that was critically panned
I updated my post :
https://lemmy.world/comment/10685927
I totally agree with you, the magic of star wars is largely a product of Lucas’s mind. Sometimes newer installments capture flickers of that magic, but it’s pretty sporadic these days, definitely not enough to build a foundation of nostalgia. Plus, there’s little to no philosophical message in the sequels, so their value rests entirely on the action and dialogue, which was kind of lackluster compared to the execution of the previous movies.
A large part of the magic of Star Wars, for me at least, didn’t really have much to do with Lucas. It was the EU books and comics, how they expanded the world and made the characters much more than simple archetypes.
The biggest thing about them, though, is they built off what was already in existence. They didn’t try and replace or re-imagine it, they just let what was be and made it more.
It didn’t always work (and quite often didn’t), but the beauty was that there wasn’t any really one thing you had to stick with to enjoy it. If you didn’t like one series or game or whatever? Don’t indulge in it.
The problem with the new movies, and even for a lot of the shows, is that they present it as “This is your Star Wars now.” It’s not a whole wide world, it’s just a focused idea of what a few people want to make… and a few people want desperately to sell to an audience.
That was something that really baffled me about the disney acquisition. They spent 4 billion on the property but never thought to have someone explain to them what actually made it profitable. It was the universe that people latched onto, thats what sold the merchandise and the novels and spin offs. Yet the new films seemed almost spitefully bent on ignoring all that
Another thing the sequels didn’t have: accompanying games. The gaps between movies weren’t filled exclusively by live action and animated series
Sure, only Revenge of the Sith actually had an actual “the movie the game”, but the 90s and early 2000s saw a number of amazing Star Wars games (and some less than stellar), most only partially related to movies, others with completely news stories, which definitely helped keep people interested in the universe, even if they didn’t like the movies. KOTOR, Republic Commando, Battlefront, X-Wing series, Dark Forces series.
Meanwhile, during the Disney years, we had Battlelootbox 1 and 2, Squadrons, Jedi Fallen Order+Survivor and… that’s about it (also some Lego Star Wars stuff). The mobile stuff might as well be SW skins of whatever is the current mobile trend.
I updated my post :
https://lemmy.world/comment/10685927
No. The last movie ruined the entire trilogy. And I liked TLJ, but there was no overarching story to the trilogy and the whole thing was completely pointless, but mainly the last movie was so so fucking awful.
There is no fucking way anyone is going to appreciate them in 10 years. Sometimes movies just suck.
You’re probably forgetting how badly the
originalprequel trilogy was percieved. here’s a reminder :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&list=PL5919C8DE6F720A2D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPt1am18lR4&list=PL56E3EB1DFD4B64A2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYWAHuFbLoc&list=PLJ_TJFLc25JTwinvdLo4PP2rTFfTd9Uhz
see you in 4 and a half hours!
I’m not. I remember being disappointed that RotJ was another freaking Death Star.
thanks for catching my mistake, I meant the prequel trilogy
I’m very familiar with RLM. It’s a good critique. I still think it’s fairly accurate, but played way up for comedic value and virality . They are entertaining movies that fill in lore without fucking everything else up.
The best of the sequels can’t even be in the same continuity because of the change to hyperspace. The new canon was fucked up 15 minutes into the first god damned movie. Now I can enjoy the first two for what they are, but they aren’t part of any actual story, and the movie that ties them together is a garbage movie even if it weren’t Star Wars.
I mean maybe the future will prove me wrong, but I’d bet good money no one will give a positive fuck in 10 years.
the prequals introduced midiclorians and was hated for introducing it.
I am not commenting on the quality of any of the movies. Just the inevitability that people will get nostalgic about them in the future and defend them.
Midichlorians, you mean that one throwaway line that was mostly used as plot filler? That thing that people obsessed over for decades despite being less than a thousandth of a percent of the overall franchise?
Does this imply that in Star Wars X, we will have a fight or convo with a contact in an arcade?
The sequels are better than the prequels at least.
Now there’s a hot take. Can i get your reasoning?
George Lucas can’t write dialogue to save his life. By the time of the prequels he was put up on a pedestal and nobody would stand up to him like they did during the original films.
Ok I get that, but i might argue that at least the prequel writing has heart, and a purpose for the story. Do you genuinely believe the disney executive level writing in the sequels is better?
It’s less painful to watch. Meesa think you haven’t seen them back to back. As vapid as the sequels are I can turn my brain off and sit through them. The prequels bludgeon you in the face while watching them the entire time.
Meh, personally I’d still take the movie written by a human over the corperate ai, but i can see where you’re coming from. I dont exactly think theres a right answer when it comes to this particular debate
Yeah, it’s all just my opinion.