Without a doubt.

Haaretz: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-18/ty-article/.premium/israeli-security-establishment-hamas-likely-didnt-have-prior-knowledge-of-nova-festival/0000018b-e2ee-d168-a3ef-f7fe8ca20000

The Electronic Intifada: https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861

Mondoweiss: https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/a-growing-number-of-reports-indicate-israeli-forces-responsible-for-israeli-civilian-and-military-deaths-following-october-7-attack/

The Grayzone: https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

I’m waiting for the IOF to make a very public display of the apache gunners who shot indiscriminately at the festival, or the tank commanders firing indiscriminately at homes in the kibbutzim. Your argument falls flat when the Israeli army not only is killing thousands of civilians in Gaza (and are proud of it btw), but also their own citizens on Oct 7.

You’re absolutely right that there will be variance, and that each side has incentive to inflate death counts, etc. Other orgs will likely not produce their own numbers until after this mess is over. Check the Wiki pages or B’Tselem pages on previous assaults on Gaza to see how the numbers can vary, that’ll give you an idea at least.

Sorry, but I have been an advocate for Palestinian rights for years. I’m not just shilling out propaganda on the day of a massacre. As I type this, the confirmed death tolls have Israelis near 100 while Palestinian deaths are near double that. So if you want to start talking about massacres, just so far today Israel has caused more death, let alone the days, weeks, months, years and decades prior to today.

Point made. Sadly it’s true. Especially today as we spend trillions on technology designed to kill.

Killing - no matter the victim is inhuman.

Believing one side has the right to kill while the other must take it, is pretty gross.

“Slaughtering civilians in the streets” is precisely what the IDF does on the regular, just so you know. It’s hard to imagine any group of people would live under military occupation for 70+ years after being forced to leave their homes for refugee camps without the desire to fight for their freedom.

Wow - will you be selling prints of this? I have a friend who has a birthday coming up and is a big ice fisher, this would be perfect for him.

Man, why’d you have to go there?

I think you nailed it. The more we can harness the “fuck Reddit” energy, the better we can focus on creating what we wish we had there, here. Don’t forget the parts of Reddit you despised. That’s what we will avoid here. Let’s make this a place we all love!

I’m a recent transplant from BC, don’t know if I’m allowed to call myself a Manitoban yet, but I do feel at home :)

I’m also a Reddit transplant, still learning the ropes but lemmy seems like a breath of fresh air.