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  • Er, that’s what I am saying however is that you can observe and measure consciousness.

    Going with any definition of consciousness relevant to this discussion, say phenomenality and/or awareness, no.

    I am not sure why it’s hard to accept that some living things may not be conscious. Viruses propagate “mindlessly”, they’re neither living nor conscious.

    That’s not really the point - I don’t claim to know what entities possess consciousness. The point is that you don’t either.

    I also don’t understand why you think emergent properties are a hypothesis. Emergent properties of biological processes are fact

    Obviously I’m talking about Emergentism as it relates to consciousness, and the idea that consciousness is an emergent property is not a fact, no. And there are perfectly valid reasons - for example, the “explanatory gap” - why someone might find it unsatisfactory.


  • So, I’m guessing everyone in this thread has a different conception of what “consciousness” actually is and what we’re talking about here, which makes it difficult to discuss casually like this. You seem to have a very exclusive definition of consciousness, which only serves to avoid the argument, really. “It’s possible that same organisms exhibit some parts of consciousness as we have noticed till now, but if those organisms do not exhibit all parts of consciousness then they’re not conscious”…you’re splitting hairs. If plants could be proven to be aware, have subjective experience, a sense of self, it would be reasonable to change our definition of consciousness to be more inclusive - simply because such a concept of consciousness would be a lot more useful then.

    Emergentism is a popular hypothesis, not a fact. Christof Koch lost the bet, remember? The idea that “all organisms which are conscious have to exhibit the same properties” and “you cannot pick and choose” does not logically follow from anything you’ve said. These are criteria that you set up yourself. Take the idea of qualia as an example, how could we ever observe that an animal or a plant does or does not experience qualia? Nobody solved the problem of other minds.

    Consciousness is nothing like a heart; the function of the heart can be observed and measured. How do you know that you possess awareness? You can only experience it. (Actually, that we are aware is the only thing we can know with complete certainty.)




  • Best and easiest way is to reverse image search from a photo, it’s easy to look through the results for yourself and see what actually matches (it’s frequently not the first search result). Perhaps there’s some kind of AI involved in reverse image search, but searching like this is infinitely preferable to me instead of some bot telling me an answer which may or may not be correct. It’s not “convenient” if you actually care about the answer.








  • Fair point, but I would argue that if you had that kind of experience on twitter, you’re weren’t really the target demographic.

    Desperate and out of touch, yes, but deliberately fucking up a platform and ruining his “Iron Man” persona? He’s too stupid and too invested in what people think of him.

    There’s a version of this conspiracy I could buy though: the Saudis gave him money and stroked his ego knowing that there was no way he wouldn’t fuck the whole thing up. Everyone except him knew how this was going to end. That conspiracy I could get behind.







  • kronisk @lemmy.worldtomemes@lemmy.worldCelebrating or coping today?
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    As an alcoholic, I can say with complete certainty. That some one who drinks everyday to “de-stress” IS one or very much is in danger of becoming an alcoholic if it goes on long enough. Second, specifically mentioning “it’s not the alcohol” is usually a huge red flag, it means they’re worried they may actually have a problem and are over compensating.

    I get that you are trying to be helpful here and that’s a good thing, but I suspect you try too much to fit what OP is saying into the mould of your own experiences. And again, you assume too much and to boot, you assume that OP is lying, which means suddenly anything could be true or false.

    some one who drinks everyday

    OP does not drink every day.

    Second, specifically mentioning “it’s not the alcohol” is usually a huge red flag, it means they’re worried they may actually have a problem and are over compensating.

    Or it could actually be true. People simply use alcohol in this way because it works. It might end in a destructive pattern of abuse or it might not, but actual alcohol problems come with a lot of other symptoms and patterns, none of which are on display here.