Or calling out russian and chinese talking points. And then they have the same 10 users popping up whenever the instances are criticized saying “akshally privacy and no tanks…” (see above)
And chime in with “but muh tiktok.”
Anything to beat the horse that china > US.
Lol. Someone doesnt understand geopolitics.
We have an open trade agreement with israel. They want to buy, we say how much. I never said i supported it, but if ur curious ive been railing against the apartheid state for 15 years now simce back before i was a leftist. Doesnt change that there is no candidate thatd be capable of ending that policy on a whim.
Lol. Someone doesnt understand geopolitics.
We have an open trade agreement with israel. They want to buy, we say how much. I never said i supported it, but if ur curious ive been railing against the apartheid state for 15 years now simce back before i was a leftist. Doesnt change that there is no candidate thatd be capable of ending that policy on a whim.
Lol. Someone doesnt understand geopolitics.
We have an open trade agreement with israel. They want to buy, we say how much. I never said i supported it, but if ur curious ive been railing against the apartheid state for 15 years now simce back before i was a leftist. Doesnt change that there is no candidate thatd be capable of ending that policy on a whim.
Since u ignored it when i first wrote it to spam ur bs like the bad faith troll u are, here it is for everyone else,
Lol. Someone doesnt understand geopolitics.
We have an open trade agreement with israel. They want to buy, we say how much. I never said i supported it, but if ur curious ive been railing against the apartheid state for 15 years now simce back before i was a leftist. Doesnt change that there is no candidate thatd be capable of ending that policy on a whim.
Lol. Someone doesnt understand geopolitics.
We have an open trade agreement with israel. They want to buy, we say how much. I never said i supported it, but if ur curious ive been railing against the apartheid state for 15 years now simce back before i was a leftist. Doesnt change that there is no candidate thatd be capable of ending that policy on a whim.
The crux of my arguments on here remains,
Direct action, mutual aid, voting, and solidarity. Pursue as many of the options as u can, but it is naive to pretend u wont have a much harder time under an open fascist.
Bc boomers have strangeholded our govt for decades. Its convenient that now that theyre dying off this is the shit we get to try and elect the actual genocidal maniac and not the dinosaur keeping to the same foreign policy the US has kept for 70 yrs in order to keep our other allies from thinking we will abandon them the way we did the Kurds or Ukraine.
Ill tell the ppl of Ukraine, sorry, but biden dont care about Gaza, so fuck off!
Or the equivalent of voting for trump, anyway. And also note that they seem very angry over the notion that ppl will vote for biden while pursuing other forms of change or at the very least advocating for them.
Its not prediction, russia repeatedly has called Ukraine a stepping stone. I would appreciate it if it werent.
It is maleable, if it werent, the right wouldnt expe d the dollars and effort it does into keeping voters from casting their votes.
And we got biden over trump, as u said, the youth is more left, and the old generation is dying.
Mutual aid, direct action, votes for biden to keep the fascist out, and solidarity.
Well… i should save face somehow…hmmm…
pursue mutual aid then, fuckface, since we must argue!!! I bet u hate that!!!1!🤬😡🤬😡
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Sorry too much internet
The spoiler effect is real, amigo.
U get Status Quo Joe, or u get the russian nazi. Under biden our abilities to organize and pursue whatever courses of action are not under threat. Thats not true the other way around. If it was, youd be seeing leftists actually doing something in russia or china, but it doesnt happen. Bc they get the boot. Like how the communist party that still exists in russia is only some 30yrs old bc it was the one that was hand picked to exist as controlled opposition.
I dont blame u for being depressed and disaffected, but i assure u, this country has a long way to go before it hits rock bottom. Meanwhile, I would prefer it if Poland and Lithuania werent next on Putins chopping block bc donnie twatkins and his maga cult decided fuck it, Ukraine dont deserve arms. This whole movement ive been seeing, first on reddit now here, saying voting is childish or that third party is the way to go… its all foreign sourced. If voting didnt matter, the right in this country wouldnt go to the lengths it does to suppress it. Low turn out benefits trump. Trump benefits countries that are hostile towards us. Those countries have a vested interest in ur vote.
Pre api changes on reddit, leftist spaces on reddit didnt ban ppl, they didnt remove comments, and they prided themselves on encouraging independent thinking. Suddenly after, i started picking up bans even from places like rightcantmeme bc id call out russian talking points or the fact that making fun of “vooting” wasnt praxis, just a cheap slogan to wave around the way magats wave theirs. And ghen new spaces, like ultraleft, started popping up. These new spaces outright were based around the new culture, and here something interesting started happening. Ppl (or trolls, idk) would pop in and ask, “whats the ancom (or whichever other subgroup) stance on ____?” And of course they got a bunch of cookie cutter opinions to plug in their brains and be able to turn off their critical thinking.
There was a time when the leftists there would put down such notions, telling everyone to think for themselves and that u fit where u fit. Theyd ask for the persons beliefs that they already held and ask them to debate those. All in the name of conversation. It was never about telling ppl what to think.
But here today, fuck man… im writing all this out to u bc u sound real. This shit here, all the talk of not voting or voting third party… its all the same. Its all sourced from the same, and half these accounts that spout this bs turn really vile when u suggest that damage control voting even if u suggest direct action and mutual aid in the very same comment.
Note that the Spanish anarchists still participate in their democracy. Bc they state one of their goals as making life more tenable under the current regime for everyone. If u want change, u need to still work within the system alongside whatever else u believe in. As said, if u didnt, the dictatorships u see around the world would be positively teeming with lefitst action and thought. But they aint. Bc thats not how things ever go.
Do take note how aggressive these ppl/accounts get at the notions of ppl voting blue.
We need solidarity, not more division. Go vote for the infinitely less shit candidate, then pursue whatever additional means u feel make changes happen. If ur wasting ur time yelling at ppl for voting or calling them stupid, ur just sowing division.
Well we get to have a monoparty system in the inverse, but i guess technically ceasing to exist would be a change for dems.
Given that 2016 was decided by 20k votes spread across three states, id say that yeah, every person on Lemmy might swing the election.
The spoiler effect is real, and ur not going to get a chance for third party candidates to ever matter if the raging turnip were to win.
And then theyd get chinese or russian imperialism. Geopolitics is a thing whether u ignore it or not. The US at least is maleable and every year i hear the leftists get louder and more numerous.
I disagree that having these conversations on lemmy is playing into the “neoliberal spin machine” (great term, btw). My conversation is aimed at leftists in hopes of building pan-leftist solidarity, or something of that nature. This is where plenty of leftists hang out online, so this is a reasonable place to have this discussion.
You are spot on that phonebanking, canvassing, and harassing ur rep is more effective at getting ppl to vote for Status Quo Joe.
I do know they like to follow me…
Eta: its funny how often the threads they brigade start off with the common shill thoughts getting downvoted and actual leftist thought upvoted only for it to shift as the threads pick up steam. Im not convinced its possible to win this fight, if im honest.
Also, note the sheer absurd amount of comments in this thread for something with (atm) 338 points. They always do this and act like its not happening.