the difference is that discussions about robocop are exclusively about the original
if youre convinced the wolfenstein and doom reboots have the same impact and relevance as robocop (2014) youre entirely allowed to stay that way, im not gonna try and shake you out of it
I mean, if someone says “Doom and Wolfenstein” without specifying “Doom Eternal” and “Wolfenstein: Youngblood” (which I had to look up, BTW), I’m thinking of Id.
that makes sense, especially since Doom eternal is in fact still developed by id
Wolfenstein and Doom have both reached significantly more people since they got adopted by zenimax though, so most folks who actually played the games will have probably gotten introduced to them as Bethesda published games
“Wolfenstein: Youngblood” (which I had to look up, BTW),
lol ok
evidently they dont give much of a shit either way
Dude! The original ones were cultural touchstones in a market that wasn’t yet oversaturated. They literally invented and defined the whole genre!
the original ones were undoubtedly MUCH more popular in their time.
i mean sure, but that also doesnt matter to the point i was making
More people might be playing the new ones NOW
which is why most folks are probably not talking about the old games when they say they like wolfenstein and doom
i assumed they were talking about the bethesda published reboots, what with them being significantly more popular than the earlier games
doom and Wolfenstein are published by bethesda
im so glad that blizzards internal culture and conduct align with microsofts values enough for them to skip the hands-on approach theyve shown with other subsidiaries
i actively want the UKs overseas influence to wane
i dont think that one comes from white people
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I do not see compulsory military service as forced labour, not by a long shot.
performing labour or 6 months of jail does sound completely unforced
A country that offers equal rights, universal healthcare and free education for all citizens, amongst many other tax-paid services.
i am so glad that you have all of that
If you do not see your own country worth serving, I feel sad for you
i said nothing about whether i see my own country as worth serving, but your pity is appreciated
I would gladly give my life to protect mine
and youll continue to have the option to do so regardless of whether your government continues to threaten its citizens into doing so
The issue is you’re confusing compulsory labour with forced labour.
seems like a you problem, what with you talking about compulsory labour while i explicitly said forced labour
If you don’t do conscription or civil service work (the alternative option) the consequences are a fine, or jail.
“youre not forced to do it, you just get tossed in jail if you dont do it”
In countries at high risk of conflict (eg Taiwan), it’s practically required for their continued short-term existence.
if a country can only motivate its people to actually protect said country by threatening them into doing so, it didnt actually deserve protection
and just stops people discussing the actual pros and cons of the practice.
good, i do not want people discussing the actual pros of slavery
im assuming you mean nuanced
me not agreeing with you doesnt mean i didnt consider your perspective, and saying ‘well surely not all forced labour is slavery’ isnt nuance
ok
forced labour is slavery
the system for who is required to participate has practically never been fair and equitable, jury duty is not comparable to military service, and forced labour is slavery
civil jury duty is a really weird example to use anyway, since civil jury trials are practically non existent outside the USA
forced labour is slavery
maybe folks would sign up to protect their country if they thought it deserved to be protected, or was doing anything for them
that some folks genuinely believe the same people were running the nordics 70 years ago, apparently
i didnt voice any opinion on what the extreme or far left are, so i imagine you either didnt understand my comment or are being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian
no, it is the mainstream view on non-western far-left groups too
thats great
the reboot is still probably most fans entry point to the franchise and frame of reference for discussing it, especially during a discussion about Bethesda
that is not any kind of dig at the older games, the quality of them is entirely irrelevant to the point i was making
you dont need to come to the defense of them, especially by venting about games that i also do not care about