GizmoLion

So who’s bankrolling this?

Jesus H Christ… congrats on being the one millionth person on kbin to say “What are YOU doing?” while talking down their literal list of what they are doing.

a-man-from-earth is right, Kbin is in a sorry state right now. I still get asked to login when I want to comment, despite being logged in, at which point it takes me to the home page. Viewing a reply to your comment is still not pagination-aware.

Ernest has said this version of kbin is frozen until he rolls out the next, hopefully the end of September, so by his own admission Kbin as we know and use it is the same pile it was months ago. That said I remain hopeful that the next rollout will be a big improvement.

Back to the topic, if the site isn’t easy and intuitive to use, or if it’s broken and remains a thorn for a long time, then you can’t expect people to go out of their way to do the thing you want them to do. That’s not how the world works.

a-man-from-earth has submitted bug fixes to try and improve the site so people might be more willing to stick around and post themselves, while you’re just posting content that’ll eventually become irrelevant. What are YOU doing? (See? It’s asinine right?)

That’s why I’m fully pro-automation. Automation makes everyone’s lives easier, it removes the burdens from the backs of people. For every job that someone doesn’t have to toil at we have the chance for them to find something they actually enjoy and excel at it, maybe even push the boundaries in some way.

People think they fear automation, but that’s not the enemy. The enemy is the politicians who are so far behind the times, and in many cases corrupt to the point they’re actively working against the people they were elected to serve, that our system simply will not adapt to these boons we’ve developed. There’s just no reason we can’t feed every mouth in America if the will was there in the people pulling the strings, but that doesn’t line their pockets personally and the people in positions of power don’t give a rat’s ass about you or your family.

Honestly it feels like all the pieces are there to build something wonderful, but it wont happen unless we’re willing to knock down the shitty “it’s what we’ve got” house of cards narrative.

XcQ, Link stays blue.

Trillions of packages delivered successfully, but because some idiot thought waxpaper was a good packing for cookies we should throw out that system? I’d love to hear your thoughts on how such a system would work at that kind of throughput.

LMAO What a take! Thanks for the laugh.

Ong?

Alright we’re done here. Go annoy someone else with your ranting.

You’re not interested in debate or discussion. You’re a dedicated white knight for gimp and all it’s jank, and you’ve no interest in engaging with the points made by others. Your best counterarguments are to either attack the person you disagree with directly, or what boils down to a “nuh uh because it works for me!”.

If you want to actually discuss this do it in good faith or stop wasting our time.

You’re a one man logical fallacy machine just reusing the same lines over and over. Just go away.

Krita gets ~4000 euros a month and their ui is beautiful, functional, streamlined, and dare I say on par with much, much larger offerings. Until recently Zbrush was a 1-time license purchase for years and years. Their software is incredibly powerful and their UI is well organized and feature rich, and their entire net worth is like $100k total…

I’m going to let you argue with the wall, because you’d rather talk feelings than make a coherent argument.

Finally a voice of reason. I’m in the same boat. Linux everything, including any standalone products I can load it onto. I can count on one hand the number of non-linux programs I use. GIMP’s interface simply sucks. They know that, they’ve been given feedback since 1995, they just don’t care. @CrypticCoffee is in here acting like GIMP just needs some support from the community but the reality is that they’ve neglected decades of feedback and so they deserve what they get. If that’s negative feedback, then so be it!

Blender’s UI used to be a dumpsterfire too, right on part with GIMP in my opinion. They straight up redesigned that shit from the ground up and now it’s an amazing and intuitive powerhouse program, and they’re 7 years younger!

The fact that GIMP is 2d and blender is 3d works in gimp’s favor if anything. 2D is a whole lot simpler, and blender goes into animation, mixing, audio, dozens of specialities.

TL;DR, GIMP has had decades to improve, they don’t, and they deserve to reap what they sow, both positive and negative.

You can die on this hill if you want to. Gimp has its reputation amongst the public, and it’s not for it’s user friendly UI. Maybe you like the jank, but that doesn’t mean it’s optimal.

Also, another thing open source projects need is feedback from the public. The UI being horrid is feedback, and just because you feel the need to white knight and feel personally offended by this feedback doesnt make the feedback invalid. You can complain about the phrasing used, but if you use that as reason to disregard the feedback or get defensive and accusatory towards the person (the “what have YOU done” bit was particularly irrelevant) then you’re part of the problem regardless how much you feel you’re the solution.

One doesn’t need to be a dev to have opinions about ease of use of a piece of software, don’t be dense.

My take is they’re a little more cautious than full Arch. Arch will just push stuff because it’s “ready”, Manjaro does at least some testing so I’m not the guinea pig.

I don’t have any issues with AUR stuff though, everything pretty much works out of the box.

Lol that’s a wild concept. $5 for 300 searches… so now when I go down a rabbit hole I have to count my searches.

Also, that gives them perverse incentives. If they make searching just a little frustrating they can get more searches out of you = more money. That’s not right.

I abandoned ubuntu for that very same experience, found your Ubuntu zen on manjaro instead. Funny how it goes sometimes.

The last several lines are so insanely unhinged, completely untethered from reality lol.

Also, when this guy learns about X11 vs Wayland he’s doing to die of an aneurysm.

Oops, missed a dash, so now you’ll have to come back and finish.

By your guidance I just took action, we’ll see what comes of it.