I get you, it’s just that I feel like this conversation might end up swirling into a “what is normal? Who gets to define what normal is and what are their motivations for defining those parameters as normal?” sort of deal.

With the current world the way it is at hand though, yeah, kids do need to be forced to focus for long periods of time so they can operate when they get into the world on their own.

In an ideal world, whatever shape that takes, I’m not so sure that would be necessary, but we don’t get to work with ideals, so your stance seems the most realistic.

Ahhh this is a case of I misread one of your posts it seems.

Yeah your stance seems reasonable enough to me with that clarification.

I don’t really know about the long focus sessions being necessary for proper brain development (social conditioning seems to be more the point of that) but I’m not an expert here, so I am not going to trust my gut on this one. (In the effort of reigning in my pedantism, I’m not going to ask the definition of proper development either lol)

In any case, ty for the conversation!

We had some demanding clients lol

I remember having to use pie.htc to hack rounded corners for buttons into ie6. I remember liking ie7 a little bit better, but ie8 felt like a god send compared to 6 lmao

I recall having to support multiple versions of ie as well at the same time as well. I can’t remember what year we dropped support for ie6 but it wasn’t too long after I started.

I danced every time we got to drop another ie support version all the way up to 11

Ah ok, that’s true, that is their responsibility to educate the students. I’d also say it’s their responsibility to provide reasonable accommodations to in demand constituent methods of communication.

So how is allowing a kid checking a phone between classes and having it put away in a locker (so not on their person) during class the school abdicating it’s educational responsibility?

(This specific case is my own “reasonable accommodation” theory, so I’m really curious about genuine counterpoints to this that aren’t just devil’s advocate, and you really seem to believe this, so thank you for your input so far, it is appreciated)

Does not sure. Cannot though… How does that work? What’s so imperative that it warrants cutting off communication for this person’s daughter? Like I get telling a kid to wait till in between classes to check, but “cannot have” the right? Why?

Even I think this is a bit pedantic, but it feels like you’re using the word cannot for an odd authority grab, and I don’t understand it, so I figured I’d question it at the very least

I do web dev and I can say I was super guilty of this back in the 2010s. I bit the hype hard, and now we’re getting right back to the circumstances that made ie such a POS to work with. (In my defense, I got my dev job in 2013 and had to develop for ie6. It’s not a good defense, but I think that really lead to my overhype for google. I had no knowledge of chrome’s bloated whale carcass days, so it always felt like the browser that “just worked ™”)

Market monopoly inspires evil in the good intentioned. Market monopoly also inspires nefariousness in the evil.

I’d say this is the sort of thing that inspired Google to remove the “don’t be evil” from their guidelines.

…I mean that could explain his very alt-right bent…

Endorse a fascist into office then ban the rest (this is no more likely than any general conspiracy theory though. We’ll have to wait and see if that’s what his actions actually align with in this coming election season to give this theory any actual weight)

Probably when “I use ie to download chrome” became a mainstream meme.

Unfortunately this is a money-ocracy (data-exploitation-ocracy), not a democracy.

That’s fascinating! Wish I had that kind of control over my utilities. Thanks for the insight!

That’s really interesting, was your company originally structured like that or did it take some maneuvering? I certainly didn’t think there were companies where the users get to vote who runs it into power, how does that work? Is it like a vote every few years or so? Like senators or something like that?