I would not worry

People keep saying that, yet here we are.

you took time to reply to a worthless take? How little do you value your time and opinions that you’d go out of your way to deride mine?

Well, this took a quick turn into Godwin’s Law faster than I’ve ever seen.

I don’t know anything about Grayson or why someone would have an issue with him, but you’ve made it very clear very quickly that you’re not providing view points worth looking into, so thank you for that.

Yes, otherwise companies would not spend their money on them.

They haven’t been successful yet.

Musk has money to give Trump

Hasn’t Jon Oliver on more than one occasion fired insults at the company that owns the network he’s on?

We have an infinite number of monkeys, one of them already wrote Hamlet.

Mailbox and auction house access is priceless.

Create the problem, sell the solution.

There’s no reason not to let all players access their mail and auction house anywhere through the menus, except that Blizzard has decided to paywall that ‘feature’.

You’re saying if a party strays too far that another party can steal some of its voters, the party can “return to its roots” and get all those voters back.

You’re also saying if a party strays too far it can’t just “return to its roots” and get those voters back because they don’t trust them.

You are contradicting yourself. If Republicans suddenly become a rational party they’ll be trusted by rational people as much as if Democrats suddenly became a leftist party.

You’re also telling yourself: there’s no reason for the Democrats to move left because you’re not going to trust them anyway. If Kamala came out tomorrow and promised everything you were wanting to say you wouldn’t believe her or vote for her.

The fact is Republicans are going full Fascist, and there are people with conservative ideologies who don’t want fascism. That is why they will vote for a Democratic Party shifting to the right instead of the “original right wing party”.

Sure, creating a vacuum on the left increases the viability of a third party, but that’s not going to be viable this election so they don’t have to worry about it.

It’s the Republican politicians that actually robbed you of those rights, and you are actively helping them get more power to do it again. Make it make sense.

“If you don’t agree with me 100% you must be against me.”

Oddly enough the same thing “3rd party” voters complain about Democrats doing.

Also, for people who want to succeed it’s odd I only hear about “3rd party” in October every 4 years. I’m sure in January you’ll still be talking about the importance of building a 3rd party right?

Edit: I don’t know why your post got removed, maybe you were banned for something else, but for the record: I’m not a Democrat, but I’m a realist. I would love for there to be a viable 3rd party, but that’s not going to happen in the next 2 weeks and allowing Donald Trump to become elected is going to actively make that less likely. Considering what happened on Jan 6th with minimal consequences, if Donald Trump gets elected you might even lose the option of a 2nd party.

So if Dick Cheney said “Russia is terrible, you should support Ukraine” you would oppose Ukraine because Dick Cheney supports them?

Opposing everything Dick Cheney does is mindless and is allowing Dick Cheney to decide what you support.

I will not vote for you

I will not vote for you

I will not vote for you

It looks like you’re not going to vote for anyone anyway so why should either party care what you want?

It’s not by chance that in Europe even whilst becoming full-on Neoliberal parties, Center-Left parties maintained a leftwing discourse and would throw a bone to the Left once in a while (say, minimum wage raises) when in government.

Are you talking about nations with better electoral systems that can support more than 2 parties?

Yes, in a 3+ party system Party A moving closer to Party B to take 1000 votes from them but losing 1500 votes to Party C in the process is a bad play.

In a “Winner takes all” 2 party system where the only thing that matters is having 1 more vote than your opponent to have 100% of the power, Party A moving closer to Party B to take 1000 votes from them is a better position even if it causes them to lose 1900 votes from people who now won’t vote for either party. Moving further away from Party B to get 1000 votes from people who are refusing to vote is a losing position if it causes them to lose 501 votes to Party B.

In a 2 party system chasing the people who are actually voting will always be twice as good than chasing the people who aren’t voting.

The first step that needs to happen is building up a third party through local politics, not ignoring politics for 3 years and 11 months and then suddenly expecting a third party to become viable.

we all just missed it?

You missed it. I was well aware of it, and concerns about Biden at the time, and I don’t even live in the US.

Not everyone else’s fault if you don’t engage with the political system until less than a month before the election. That’s what this entire post is about.

inability to protect abortion rights

“I was robbed”

“I blame you more than the thief because you should have protected your stuff better!”

“Be more than just orange man bad”

Here’s a list

“Kamala bad”

I thought we were asking for more than just “opposition bad”?

But if we’re going the “opposition bad” route find me a single item in that list that Trump wouldn’t make worse.
You know, the entire topic of the thread: even if Kamala isn’t good, Trump is significantly worse in every way, and one of them will be president.

So Dick Cheney decides your politics for you?

• If the Leadership of Democrat Party manages to whilst refusing to walk back on their active support of a Genocide, win the election with a “otherwise it’s Trump” strategy, they will move even further to the Right because that confirms to them that they can do whatever they want and still keep in power.

If the Republicans get absolutely walloped in the election for running a wannabe dictator, it will show them that the extremism isn’t going to work and they have to run reasonable candidates to have a chance at winning. Then next election when they present someone who isn’t a megalomaniacal idiot who wants to be a “Dictator Day 1” it will require the Democrats to do better and put more effort than “not a dictator.”

Letting the Republicans be this close will cause the Democrats to move further right because the leftists aren’t going to vote for them anyway, and they sure as fuck won’t vote for Republicans, so moving to the right to steal 1000 votes from Republicans is better than moving left and gaining 1500 votes from people who otherwise wouldn’t vote.