To get things started I’ll state my most controversial views.

  1. I think J.K. Rowling is alright. And that by definition I’m what some would call a “TERF”.

I think there are fundamental differences between men and women, and how one feels doesn’t really change that. Personality traits and mental illness do not change biology.

  1. I’m an atheist. I’m not convinced of any deities, but that’d be pretty cool to find out if there were any, or any deep answer to the universe for that matter.

  2. Climate change is a real and present danger, But there’s fuck all I can do about it from an individual standpoint right now.

  3. Aliens seem like a very real possibility with all the seemingly credible sources lately but I’m not convinced. My best guess is that it’s an intentional thing to mess with other countries.

  4. I’m nearly a free speech absolutist. I think one should not be afraid to voice their views. And that censorship only hurts human progress.

  5. The main controversy surrounding this instance, lolis. I don’t care what people beat it to as long as no one is being harmed. Drawings don’t have emotions, bodies, or rights.

  • Somdudewillson@burggit.moe
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    Homosexuality is pretty cool biology wise. The markers that predetermine it are predictable in the womb and seem to be an actual evolutionary trait. Which I was really surprised to learn. If something proves transgender stuff is similar, that’d be very interesting.

    The physiological differences between men and women are dictated by the ratios of specific types of hormones during development: estrogens for female traits, androgens for male traits. The handful of genes responsible for these mutate reasonably commonly with fairly neutral effect, but more significant mutations can cause inequal development of male and female physiology. Mutations to the srY gene, a keystone of gender expression, can also cause these sorts of effects.

    Some examples of such effects include:

    • Individuals with XX chromosomes, but male physical features, caused by the srY gene migrating to an X chromosome
    • Swyer Syndrome, where an individual has XY chromosomes, but the srY gene migrated to the X chromosome. This causes them to develop female physical features, but nonfunctional gonads—this means they will not naturally experience puberty, among other issues. (The normal treatment is hormone replacement therapy, because the problem is that their gonads aren’t able to produce the right hormones on their own.)
    • Androgen insensitivity syndrome, wherein male physiology, especially sex organs, only develops partially or not at all.

    Additionally, hormones are spread around by regular, chaotic fluid dynamics, and fetuses don’t grow in a vacuum, but rather inside a sac inside another person who is producing their own hormones. Therefore, it’s rather unlikely all parts of the body will actually receive equal ratios of androgens and estrogens - which can lead to, for instance, the brain developing in a structure and exhibity measurably more like the ‘typical’ female brain structure despite the individual’s physiology being overall male. There have been actual brain scans done of transgender individuals that identify this, AFAIK.


    I don’t understand how not feeling comfortable in your own skin isn’t an illness.

    I’d like to probe this with examples of other things that can be reasonably accurately described as some version of “not feeling comfortable in your own skin” (I’d like to be clear that these are examples for you to assess this idea with—I think there are reasonable arguments for and against these being illnesses. What I’d like to know is if these examples that would reasonably be considered an illness under that definition actually align with what you think an illness is?):

    • Is disliking being overweight an illness? What about being underweight?

    • If you’re born missing a limb, is it an illness if you want a prosthetic?

    • If you don’t like your voice, is wanting to do voice training illness? What about greying hair? Or hair loss?

    From another angle, given the problem is a mismatch between mind and body, is changing the mind (i.e. the person) better than changing the body? Even in terms of simple capabilities, changing the body is much easier and more doable for modern medicine than changing the mind. We’ve been developing antidepressants, for example, for 50 years, and they still can cause depression as a side effect.

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      I appreciate the level of detail you’ve brought into this. It’s been a while since I’ve been able to discuss this with someone who’s actually done their research on sex.

      To answer your questions. Casually disliking being overweight or underweight is not an illness. Being severely obese or severely underweight are illnesses that can be treated by proper exercise and proper nutrition.

      To compare it to gender dysphoria though, you’d have to be severely obese, or severely underweight, and believe you are the other one that you physically aren’t. If I weighed 400 lbs but believed I was actually a starving person that’s underweight, for example.

      For the prosthetic limb example. Wanting an object to assist oneself isn’t an illness.

      For the voice training one. Wanting to improve oneself through training, diet, exercise aren’t illnesses.

      You’re right that changing the body does seem easier.

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        To compare it to gender dysphoria though, you’d have to be severely obese, or severely underweight, and believe you are the other one that you physically aren’t. If I weighed 400 lbs but believed I was actually a starving person that’s underweight, for example.

        This… isn’t analogous. Being aware of and unhappy about the mismatch is specifically what makes it a dysphoria.

        The questions were less about me getting your answer but more about pointing out how general the definition you gave was, and probing if your actual intended meaning was that vague. From looking at other comments, though, it looks like you did give someone else a more specific definition of what you meant:

        I’m talking about the kind of uncomfortable that makes people consider surgery as the only alternative to suicide. I would consider that an illness.

        Firstly, I’d like to point out that just HRT is both not surgery and sufficient for many trans individuals.

        But, let’s say someone is extremely overweight, and they’ve been prevented from using regular methods (i.e. dieting and exercise), so their only option is surgery. If prevented from undergoing the surgery, don’t you think that depression and potentially even suicide are possible outcomes. Would this scenario, hypothetical though it may be, not also meet those requirements?

        Now, let me tell you about Lipedema, a condition where large amounts of fat builds up on the legs. Regular diet and exercise methods can help with some symptoms, but cannot stop or reverse the condition. Liposuction (a fat-removal surgery), however, works—although it’s not a permanent fix yet and still can damage the body in the process. It fairly commonly can result in depression.

        In a more general sense, “feeling uncomfortable in one’s own skin” is such a vague descriptor that it plausibly covers basically any nonlethal condition that can negatively affect an individual’s quality of life.

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          1 year ago

          Can you elaborate on how feeling oneself is different than one actually is, is different than oneself feeling different than one actually is?

          I might be misunderstanding you.