r/The_Donald now on Lemmy - Lemmy Online
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It was banned on Reddit because it is racist, hatefull and spread Conspiracies. In my new community I expect the exclution of racist communities. It is easy now with defederation. Nazis can do whatever they want on their instances, but the instances I want to be part of should not amplify their shit and flush it into our timelines. The instance-admin of !thedonald@sh.itjust.works [/c/thedonald@sh.itjust.works] did not reply to my message. Big instances seem not to defederate with them. The new TD may not be a success, the point is not to give Nazis a platform like it is happening now. Fans of TD are racists. Where are the instances that show face against racism? edit: to contact the admins: @donut@sh.itjust.works @TheDude@sh.itjust.works @smorks@sh.itjust.works
  • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.caEnglish
    125·
    1 year ago

    It’s not a difference of opinion, it’s spewing of hate and misinformation. By the time you address one thing, they’ve spewed another ten. So you stop and then it goes unchecked. I suggest you watch the “innuendo studios” channel on YouTube.

    • yarr@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
      42·
      1 year ago

      So you stop and then it goes unchecked.

      But de-federating ENSURES it goes unchecked…

      • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.caEnglish
        102·
        1 year ago

        Only in that little sub, and doesn’t spread to the rest of the fed. Or shut it down like it was in this case.

        But you’re missing 2 points:

        It’s not merely a difference of opinion, which many people welcome. It’s the spewing of hatred and misinformation.

        There’s no countering it because of the asymmetry of bullshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini’s_law It goes on and on and on, just flooding everything.

        • Aiʞawa@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          63·
          1 year ago

          It’s not merely a difference of opinion, which many people welcome. It’s the spewing of hatred and misinformation.

          It’s genuinely reassuring to see people with such an outlook on things. There’s nothing worse than absolutists putting everything in the same bag.

          • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.caEnglish
            3·
            1 year ago

            I don’t know if you mean that as sarcasm. But we’re talking about The Donald. That’s one bag, or even one aspect of it. Not everything on the spectrum.

            • Aiʞawa@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              4·
              1 year ago

              There was no sarcasm on my end. To reformulate: it’s reassuring to see someone saying that we shouldn’t consider the spewing of hatred and disinformation as valid, thought provoking, and nurturing opinions.

        • code_is_speech@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
          53·
          1 year ago

          So block them and move on. Or if you disagree with them that badly, push to have that instance/community added to a public blocklist/filter. Defederation, besides being an overly authoritarian solution, damages the network in a way that can and will make Lemmy into a worse place for its users.

          As instances start to defederate, it will matter more and more which instance a user signs up to. This will push users towards larger instances. As instances get larger, they will become less and less reliant on 3rd party instances for content, those instance admins will be incentivized to defederate from them, as they will a) not have as much control over those instances, and b) start to view them as competitors rather than collaborators.

          The beauty of Lemmy and federation generally, is that information appears centralized to it’s users, despite being decentralized in reality.

          The more defederation is used, the more centralized Lemmy becomes, whilest giving a more fractured, confusing, and disorganized experience to its users.

          Defederation will kill Lemmy. It needs to removed from the protocol before it becomes too widely abused.

          I see Lemmy going down in one of two ways:

          In fighting and fragmentation with overzealous use of defederation leading to walled gardens, and a terrible user experience.

          Or

          A major player like google or microsoft sees the potential in Lemmy. Starts their own highly funded instance that is full of useful features and a wonderful smooth UX. (That is all proprietary and only usable on their instance, naturally) Then when the majority of users are on their instance, defederate from everywhere else. (If you don’t think this can happen, just look at what google did to xmpp).

          • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.caEnglish
            43·
            1 year ago

            My own personal blocking does not solve the problem.

            I think you’re on a slippery slope argument, taking it from 1 to 100 awfully quick.