Over the weekend, at least 82 Palestinians were killed in Israeli strikes on Jabaliya refugee camp, including multiple United Nations schools sheltering Palestinians. At least 85 incidents of Israeli bombing have impacted 67 facilities run by the United Nations relief agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA) in the last two months. We speak with Tamara Alrifai, spokesperson for UNRWA, about the organization sheltering close to a million Palestinians from Israel’s assault, which has killed 104 of her colleagues since the beginning of the war — the highest number of United Nations aid workers killed in a conflict in the history of the United Nations. Alrifai says her agency is only getting half of the fuel they need to serve people in Gaza, being forced to choose between clean water, food and transport. “If UNRWA ceases to exist tomorrow, then there is a huge layer of stabilizing and stability that UNRWA usually offers in a very, very volatile area that also collapses.”

Over the weekend, at least 82 Palestinians were killed in Israeli strikes on Jabaliya refugee camp, including multiple United Nations schools sheltering Palestinians. At least 85 incidents of Israeli bombing have impacted 67 facilities run by the United Nations relief agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA) in the last two months. We speak with Tamara Alrifai, spokesperson for UNRWA, about the organization sheltering close to a million Palestinians from Israel’s assault, which has killed 104 of her colleagues since the beginning of the war — the highest number of United Nations aid workers killed in a conflict in the history of the United Nations. Alrifai says her agency is only getting half of the fuel they need to serve people in Gaza, being forced to choose between clean water, food and transport. “If UNRWA ceases to exist tomorrow, then there is a huge layer of stabilizing and stability that UNRWA usually offers in a very, very volatile area that also collapses.”

  • HuddaBudda@kbin.social
    171·
    1 year ago

    unlike what you see here…
    what you see here is propaganda.

    Propaganda for better solutions that don’t involve bombing city blocks because one gang thug had an RPG outside a hospital.

    Maybe I am not comfortable with Israel’s aim

    Maybe I am not comfortable with killing children and teenagers for the sins of a gang of thugs.

    Maybe I am not comfortable with killing civilians if it is going to lead to a broader war.

    Either way, what really irks me, is that everyone is okay with it. If this happened in any other place in the world, we would be clawing bloody murder, but because it happens in un-wealthy Gaza. I am a propagandist?

    Guess it’s okay to kill kids so long as they are poor and (possibly) Muslim? What kind of propaganda are you spewing?

    • OBIWAN_SALAMI@kbin.social
      130·
      1 year ago

      @HuddaBudda

      @stopthatgirl7 @Annoyed_Crabby @OurTragicUniverse\

      i will keep saying this until i am dead… war is terrible. you don’t like it? then don’t get in one. when a group locates legitimate targets among civilians and human shields, THAT IS THE WAR CRIME HERE. you deal with that by attacking anyway and demonstrate to the enemy that tactic does not work and will not be tolerated. you want to get mad? then direct the anger where its deserved. at the group which purposely uses their own people as propaganda by using them as human shields and crying about civilian deaths.

      the situation is beyond the point of tiptoeing around world opinion and rose-colored glasses wearing people like you. any org that employs the tactics hamas has used should be wiped out. period. i said the same thing about the taliban years ago and i’ll say it again.
      what you see is what happens in war. civilians die. don’t like it? then do whatever you have to in order to avoid it.

      • be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
        171·
        1 year ago

        you deal with that by attacking anyway and demonstrate to the enemy that tactic does not work and will not be tolerated.

        And when that doesn’t work you do it again
        and again
        and again
        and again
        and again
        …

        Because it’s more important to demonstrate that you absolutely will kill innocents who have been put in harm’s way in order to show Hamas (and the rest of the world) exactly what your version of justice looks like than it is to try something different.

        And we’re paying attention, I can promise you that.

        • OBIWAN_SALAMI@kbin.social
          116·
          1 year ago

          @be_excellent_to_each_other
          no. its a demonstration that the tactics of terrorists will not be a deterrent. what will paying ransoms to hostage takers get you? more hostages. what will not attacking targets with human shields get you? more human shields. you fucking people don’t seem to realize you are justifying and enabling those actions. its not justice. its war. justice would be prosecuting the terrorists. terrorists ARE NOT SOLDIERS. hamas ARE NOT SOLDIERS. people need to get that through their collective heads.

          @stopthatgirl7 @Annoyed_Crabby @OurTragicUniverse @HuddaBudda

          • be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
            121·
            1 year ago

            what will not attacking targets with human shields get you? more human shields.

            You know what attacking targets with “human shields” gets you? More dead innocent people. Try not to forget the “human” part of that word.

            Edit: Gonna start adding this article to a lot of my replies on this topic. More people should read this and encourage this kind of future. When I figure out what sub it belongs in, I’ll post it as a thread there.

            https://lifeisasacredtext.substack.com/p/hand-in-hand

            • OBIWAN_SALAMI@kbin.social
              215·
              1 year ago

              @be_excellent_to_each_other
              tell that to the organization that is actively using the human shields. then tell the palestinians that it will all stop when they stand up to hamas.

              and my edit.
              by all means keep your link in mind, never forget it, and shout it at the top of your lungs any time you see a terrorist kill civilians, any time you see a rocket launcher in front of an apartment complex, any time you see a terrorist turn his weapon on a person who is not a uniformed soldier, or does that just apply to empathy for palestinians?

              • reddwarf@feddit.nl
                91·
                1 year ago

                You really do not give 1 shit about children do you? You keep telling people that this is what you get if you start a war. Did the children start that war? No. Then why keep bombing them?

                Even if Hitler himself hides under a hospital or school, you do not bomb that place. It really is that simple. The fact that you are a-ok with bombing children speaks volumes about your character.

                Surprise me with insights on why you think it is ok to bomb children and please do not involve hamas, terrorists or some form of anti-antisemitism. Keep focused on bombs on the heads of 5 year old, babies and justify that without involving adults that these children have zero control over.

      • HuddaBudda@kbin.social
        141·
        1 year ago

        legitimate targets among civilians and human shields, THAT IS THE WAR CRIME HERE.

        Like when Israel bombed a refugee camp to get a single Hamas Leader?

        Oh, maybe you meant when Hamas targeted the preschools on Oct 7?

        There are no saints in this war.

        you deal with that by attacking anyway and demonstrate to the enemy that tactic does not work and will not be tolerated.

        Hamas, seems to be doing fine, it’s the people of Gaza that have to take the hits. Also not a warm idea for the hostages you’ve doomed to death.

        the situation is beyond the point of tiptoeing around world opinion and rose-colored glasses wearing people like you.

        Empathy, the word you are looking for is called Empathy.

        any org that employs the tactics hamas has used should be wiped out.

        Agreed, use better tactics, aim, and FFS stop hitting the children.

        • OBIWAN_SALAMI@kbin.social
          117·
          1 year ago

          @HuddaBudda
          hmm. spoken by someone that shows zero understanding of the real world. “Like when Israel bombed a refugee camp to get a single Hamas Leader?”-----yes. exactly that.

          “Oh, maybe you meant when Hamas targeted the preschools on Oct 7?”
          “Empathy, the word you are looking for is called Empathy”

          do you have empathy for those killed on oct 7? do you have empathy for those crammed in shelters due to indiscriminate or blatant attacks on civilians by hamas? while their rockets may not be precision accurate, the ballistic characteristics alone offer enough accuracy to avoid them dropping in the middle of population centers in israel. do you have empathy for that?

          empathy goes out the window after what happened oct 7. i watched the twin towers fall on 9/11 in new york. there was no talk of empathy. from anyone. but i heard a few comments about the world needing a reminder of what a nuke can do.

          we are beyond empathy here. eliminating hamas and their underground infrastructure requires the tactics israel is using. THAT IS WAR. you want to talk empathy? have at it. civilians always lose in war. but don’t talk like israel is the unholy offender here. hamas deserves what they are getting and palestinians need to oust hamas themselves to get my empathy. the video of them dancing in the streets the day after 9/11 tells me all i need to know about them.

          @stopthatgirl7 @Annoyed_Crabby @OurTragicUniverse

          • HuddaBudda@kbin.social
            131·
            1 year ago

            do you have empathy for those killed on oct 7? do you have empathy for those crammed in shelters due to indiscriminate or blatant attacks on civilians by hamas? while their rockets may not be precision accurate, the ballistic characteristics alone offer enough accuracy to avoid them dropping in the middle of population centers in israel. do you have empathy for that?

            We call this multi-tasking, but yes. Generally one can feel empathy for more then one party, it isn’t a zero sum game.

            empathy goes out the window after what happened oct 7. i watched the twin towers fall on 9/11 in new york. there was no talk of empathy. from anyone. but i heard a few comments about the world needing a reminder of what a nuke can do.

            It is a shame people only watched our rage, and didn’t learn the lesson 10 trillion dollars later, and all our hard work evaporating in 3 days.

            Hypocrite that I am, fool I am not. Learn from our mistakes or be doomed to repeat them.

            we are beyond empathy here. eliminating hamas and their underground infrastructure requires the tactics israel is using.

            I disagree, there are better methods, more informed methods, safer methods for sure, if we thought about this any other way beside treating bombs like magic pixie dust that makes problems disappear.

          • xerazal@lemmy.zipEnglish
            81·
            1 year ago

            Lol love hearing jackasses say “you don’t understand the real world” when it’s actually them that doesn’t understand the real world and as an excuse to justify a genocide.

            When the US took out Osama, it didn’t do it with bombs. It was with special forces. Same is needed here.