Its robots in cars getting coffee — or getting confused by roundabouts — for the latest episode of Land of the Giants: The Tesla Shock Wave.
    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      17·
      1 year ago

      I wish this was talked about every single time the subject came up.

      Responsible, technologically progressive companies have been developing excellent, safe, self-driving car technology for decades now.

      Elon Musk is eviscerating the reputation of automated vehicles with his idiocy and arrogance. They don’t all suck, but Tesla sure sucks.

    • hansl@lemmy.mlEnglish
      21·
      1 year ago

      TBF, we have achieved a FSD that is safer than one human this year. But we took away the driver license of grandma so now we have to find another human that’s worse than FSD.

    • spamfajitas@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      1 year ago

      I wonder how much impact there might have been on code quality when Elon forced lead devs from their projects at Tesla to work on Twitter. I’ve never seen a situation like that turn out well for either party.

    • QuantumEyetanglement@lemmy.oneEnglish
      24·
      1 year ago

      I wonder how this statistically compares to non-Tesla crashes?

      Edit: quick Google/math shows average rate of lethal automobile crashes at 12 per 100,000 drivers. Tesla has supposedly sold 4.5million cars. 4.5million divided by 17 deaths from the article = 1 death per 200,000 Tesla drivers.

      This isn’t exactly apples-to-apples and would love for some to “do the math” more accurately, but it seems like Tesla is much safer than a standard driver.

      The other confounding factor is we don’t know how many of these drivers were abusing autopilot by cheating the rules (it requires hands on the wheel and full attention on the road)

      • Heresy_generator@kbin.social
        22·
        1 year ago

        Your statistical analysis is so bad that it’s not even wrong. It’s just a pile of disparate data strung together with false assumptions.

        So all of those Teslas were sold in America? And all 4.5 million of those Teslas have Autopilot? And they’re in Autopilot mode 100% of the time?

  • MisterMoo@kbin.social
    12·
    1 year ago

    Imagine naming a feature “Full Self-Driving,” and yet you can’t take your attention away from the road and must be ready to take over at a moment’s notice.

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      8·
      1 year ago

      This is on par for Elon’s entire career. He loves claiming success and taking credit for things he either didn’t accomplish himself, or things he hasn’t accomplished yet.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    Back in 2016, Tesla CEO Elon Musk stunned the automotive world by announcing that, henceforth, all of his company’s vehicles would be shipped with the hardware necessary for “full self-driving.” You will be able to nap in your car while it drives you to work, he promised.

    But while Musk would eventually ship an advanced driver-assist system that he called Full Self-Driving (FSD) beta, the idea that any Tesla owner could catch some z’s while their car whisks them along is, at best, laughable — and at worst, a profoundly fatal error.

    Since that 2016 announcement, hundreds of fully driverless cars have rolled out in multiple US cities, and none of them bear the Tesla logo.

    His supporters point to the success of Autopilot, and then FSD, as evidence that while his promises may not exactly line up with reality, he is still at the forefront of a societal shift from human-powered vehicles to ones piloted by AI.

    You’ll also hear from a former Tesla employee who was fired after posting videos of FSD errors, experts who compare the company’s self-driving efforts to its competitors, and even from the competitors themselves — like Kyle Vogt, CEO of the General Motors-backed Cruise, who is unconvinced that Musk can fulfill his promises without rethinking his entire hardware strategy.

    Listen to the latest episode of Land of the Giants: The Tesla Shock Wave, a co-production between The Verge and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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    • Peanut@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      10·
      1 year ago

      I’ve been ranting about this since 2016.

      Having consumer trust in developing AI vehicles is hard enough without this asshole’s ego and lies muddying the water.

    • almar_quigley@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      1 year ago

      Lol, ok. Your anecdotal experience can totally be believed over all the data gathered over years. Great. Thanks.

    • EnglishMobster@kbin.social
      8·
      1 year ago

      Counter-counterpoint: I’ve been using it since 2019. I think you’re exaggerating.

      • It aggressively tries to center itself, always. If you’re in a lane and it merges with a second lane, the car will swerve sharply to the right as it attempts to go back to the middle of the lane.

      • It doesn’t allow space for cars to merge until the cars are already merging. It doesn’t work with traffic; it does its own thing and is discourteous to other drivers. It doesn’t read turn signals; it only reacts to drivers getting over.

      • If a motorcycle is lane-splitting, it doesn’t move out of the way for the motorcycle. In fact, it assumes anything between lanes isn’t an issue. If something is partially blocking a lane but the system doesn’t recognize it as fully “your lane”, the default is to ignore it. The number of times I’ve had to disengage to dodge a wide load or a camper straddling two lanes is crazy.

      • With the removal of radar, phantom braking has become far, far worse. Any kind of weather condition causes issues. Even if you drive at sunset, the sun can dazzle the cameras and they don’t detect things that they should be able to - or worse, they detect problems which aren’t there.

      • It doesn’t understand road hazards. It will happily hit a pothole at 70 MPH. It will ignore road flares and traffic cones. When the lanes aren’t clearly marked (because the paint has worn away or because of construction), it can have dramatic behavior.

      • It waits so long to brake, and when it brakes it brakes hard. It accelerates just as suddenly, leading to a very jerky ride that makes my passengers carsick.

      The only time I trust FSD is when it’s stop-and-go traffic. Beyond that I have to pay so much attention to the thing that I might as well just drive myself. The “worst thing it can do” isn’t just detour; it’s “smash into the thing that it thought wasn’t an issue”.