• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 month ago

    It’s better than the Democrats intentionally murdering people in camps.

    The would in a heartbeat if they thought they could get one Republican vote for doing so.

    Neoliberals in office aren’t going to solve our problems, but it gives us time to do the work to solve them.

    Neoliberals ARE our problem. We’ve had half a century of incrementalists demanding that we just wait a little more for them to get around to moving the needle to the left, and instead they move so far to the right that they’re buddy-buddy with Netanyahu and the Cheneys. Incrementalism says “too soon” until it’s too late.

    • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 month ago

      The would in a heartbeat if they thought they could get one Republican vote for doing so.

      Again, don’t lie. The Democratic Party can of course move that far, but they have yet to do so.

      Neoliberals ARE our problem.

      Neoliberalism is the problem. Neoliberals can be tomorrow’s socialists. But we have to put in the work and educate people. My argument already refuted this point, I recommend reading it.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 month ago

        Again, don’t lie. The Democratic Party can of course move that far, but they have yet to do so.

        Just wait. Incrementalism will get you there.

        Neoliberalism is the problem. Neoliberals can be tomorrow’s socialists

        You have unfounded faith in neolliberals’ willingness to move any direction other than right.

        • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          1 month ago

          If your arguments actually referenced mine in any meaningful way you would know I have addressed these points in this comment section multiple times. As it stands, a casual refutation of your arguments is now sufficient. edit: typo

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 month ago

            I have addressed these points in this comment section multiple times.

            Yes, with “leverage power we don’t have against people who would rather lose than stop throwing people under the bus.”

            • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 month ago

              We do have this power. We elected Joe Biden in 2020. Your argument pretends we don’t at the expense of minorities and our ability to prevent the worst outcomes of climate change.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                1 month ago

                We do have this power. We elected Joe Biden in 2020.

                And oh shucky dern, his hands were always conveniently tied. Except when it came time to sell weapons for genocide.

                Your argument pretends we don’t at the expense of minorities and our ability to prevent the worst outcomes of climate change.

                Democrats consider minorities expendable in their unending quest for Republican votes.

                • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  And oh shucky dern, his hands were always conveniently tied. Except when it came time to sell weapons for genocide.

                  You don’t actually care about minorities. Even more people would dead by now under four years of Trump. That’s immaterial to you.

                  Democrats consider minorities expendable in their unending quest for Republican votes.

                  So do you. Except you want moral victory over the Democrats.

                  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    4
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    1 month ago

                    So do you. Except you want moral victory over the Democrats.

                    I’ve spent the past few decades wanting that party to move to the left and voting for them. They did what you wanted instead and moved to the right.