Great now maybe some Americans will migrate there
I’m reminded of one of my old memes when I see people in power pull shit like this.
People can’t revolt if you force them to have to fight for their right to even exist first.
Or maybe fascists are just transphobic bigots who want to torture and kill trans people because, well, they’re fascists, it’s what they do?
You need to understand the far right doesn’t give a damn about economic issues. Not one crap. (Because most far-right supporters are middle-class or higher, for the record!) They want power for one reason, and one reason only: to lord it over the minorities they consider their inferiors, if not outright killing them.
This isn’t a “distraction”, it’s the fucking goal.
Why not both? Far right movements, at least as far back as the transition of the Tories into the conservative party in the early 1800s, have been lead by the interests of the ultra rich. Far right “philosophy” has always been to their service, whether its regressive “economics” of Malthus or the complete fiction of scientific racism. Almost definitionally, there isn’t a far right movement without a ruling class that it supports and is supported by; that’s what they are trying to “conserve”.
Part of this is having a permanent underclass. Or more than one. Just as the “middle class” is under the ruling class, the under class must be beneath them. This is part of the conservative mindset, which again is created and nurtured by the ruling class for this purpose. The difference between garden variety conservatives and fascists, in this regard, is simply that fascists want the elimination of the permanent underclass.
Fair enough. I just get pissed when people like OP suggest bigotry only exists because Economically Anxious^TM people are being manipulated by The Elites^TM. Anyone who’s interacted with well-off people for longer than a few minutes knows being economically secure doesn’t magically make you not a bigot anymore.
And I hate the implication bigotry is somehow “less important” an issue than economic inequality. Especially since the two are so intimately intertwined, especially in the US, it’s impossible to make progress tackling one without tackling the other.
I’m not LGBT or anything so I do have a bias, this is mostly something I observed from my time with the upper-middle class. Up until maybe 2014, while these people were far from saints, they seemed to be far more passive about social issues beyond the economics. Then the misinformation age hit and their opinions went from ‘I don’t want to pay the medical expenses of the poor’ to ‘I don’t want to pay for someone’s gender reassignment surgery’. The bigotry seemed to be at the forefront once the billionaire controlled media told them it should be. While yes I’m sure there’s a lot of pure bigotry, I’d expect there to be less if billionaires weren’t around to sway.
This is just a chicken and egg situation on the cause so sorry if I was underplaying the bigotry aspect.
Yes, because in 2015 gay marriage was legalized.
I guarantee these people were absolutely as shitty about LGBTQ+ issues before 2015, they just talked about them less frequenly around you since they didn’t have to think about gay people too often. But I guarantee they were just as horrible towards gay people back then-- if not moreso, since they thought they could get away with the toxicity since no one cared-- as they are today.
Source: was woman with a ton of LGBTQ+ friends before 2014. Bigotry hasn’t gotten any worse since then, just louder. (And the good news is the reason the bigots have gotten louder is because more normies are becoming tolerant or accepting of LGBTQ+ people, causing the remaining bigots to realize they’re losing control of society and flip the hell out!)
Cis people: doing whatever they want including things that could be considered inmoral
Government: that’s completely normal
Trans people: exist
Government: wait that’s illegalRussian army: Bombs and kidnaps children
Government: Special military exercise, totally justified.
Trans people: Exist
Government: How horrible! Won’t anyone think of the children?
As if that is the biggest problem with Russia right now
Ignorance is strength.
The nukes are their primary strength
As if they work. I’ll take the bet none of em are functional. Not with Russia’s extreme corruption.
This mentality is basically “fuck diplomacy, go monke”
Classic throwback meme reference
LGBT laws and talks are pulled out by the right/far-right when there are shitstorms incoming. It’s literally a giant “Press in case of emergency” button, alongside immigration, etc
This is completely false, going after trans people was literally one of the first thing the Nazis did.
LGBTQ+ people aren’t a “distraction” from “more important issues”, they are real human beings with real lives who fascists love to fuck with for no other reason than they’re bullies.
Dude, LGBT isn’t just “trans people”. nobody is arguing that LGBT ppl aren’t human beings with feelings, but they are easy scapegoats (alongside immigrants etc) to distract people from real problems… unless you consider LGBT people or immigrants or whatever to be problems at all, which are not hence the “distraction”; I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin personally didn’t give a fuck about lgbt people
Nazi germany is a very poor example for your point since Jews, LGBT etc were easy scapegoats for the terrible situations they were in after WW1. You don’t even have to go that far either, look at US, Italy etc that have gone (far-)right and the discussion is always about immigration, LGBT people and other stuff that makes no sense and is either a very small problem or not a problem at all
tldr: governments use easy answer to redirect people’s anger towards made-up problems, so that they don’t really think how fucked they are
Scapegoating isn’t the “oh shit” emergency tactic of the right tho, it’s the first move they play.
Agreed completely. How is it possible people still don’t realize that with fascists, the cruelty is the point? Torturing minorities isn’t a “distraction”, it’s the goal. They will happily destroy their own economic standing for the chance to oppress The Other.
No one said it’s the biggest issue, no one said there aren’t other, bigger issues.
I’m saying it’s among the biggest issues! A fascist regime going after one of the most vulnerable classes of citizens, how is that anything other than a colossal issue?
I think you might have misunderstood my comment, I wasn’t saying that this law isn’t an issue, I agree that it’s a huge issue.
Pure speculation: could this have been motivated, to any extent, by some desire to maintain a predictable portion of the population conscriptable, given that only men are conscripted?
The war isn’t going quite in the way Putin would have hoped, after all.
No.
This is about social conformity and giving the public an enemy to hate.
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It’s a good decision IMO. Some would argue voluntary surgery is okay but it’s just a giant can of worms.
Another giant can of worms is deciding which individuals get to choose what to do with their bodies.
You already can’t have a doctor amputate your healthy limb.
That’s not what’s happening. No child under 18 is receiving any surgical services to transition.
If you are talking about adults, fuck right off with that. Men have their tits removed all the time to conform more to their idea of gender, and women have both removal and additions to the same. That’s not to mention the plethora of other cosmetic surgeries available to consenting adults.
This shit is 100% because regressive troglodytes need a Boogeyman, and no one is scared of generic gays anymore, so they needed a smaller subsection of the population to rile the masses up without risk that they might be friends already. Y’all are losing the culture war, so you want to make sure everyone else is as miserable as you are so that you can point to suicide rates and blame us for your abuse.
No child under 18 is receiving any surgical services to transition
But they can get hormone therapy that will stop forever their development phase, not to mention all the side effects (they never mention the permanent side effects nor even the risk of getting side effects, for what i saw is about 60%, but take that with a pinch of salt). They are children, they ARE NOT ready for that choice, like they are not ready to smoke, get a tattoo or own a firearm. It’s just common sense.
EDIT: almost forgot to say that in some states children can get hormone therapy without parents consent. This is absurd.
Absolutely false. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075
Look, you may have been lied to. Whoever or wherever told you this is permanent is using your anger and well placed desire to not see people get hurt to push their own agenda.
Please read up on this from non-right wing news sources. Medical sources, and direct stories from patients both young and hold. See how this stuff actually impacts people, because the points your making are well crafted astroturfing.
Well if you take hormones during puberty this will stop body development. And if you change your mind later and stop taking hormones your body won’t grow because time has come.
If only a doctor would amputate your head, so you could stop filling the world with your ignorance.
What I’m saying is that you already can’t have a medical professional do whatever you want on your body. Can’t even sell your organs!
Don’t bother to explain they only get what they want to get, I just proved this point here in the comments
Yes, but transgender medical care is actually seen as a medically necessary procedure for certain people. If your arm had to be amputated for some medical reason, would you use the same argument as you do for transgender people?
There have been cases of individuals with BID (body integrity disphoria) that have had perfectly healthy limbs removed. Gender reassignment surgeries are also a replacement, not just an amputation. At the end of the surgery, the patient will still have perfectly working genitals, just ones that don’t damage their mental health.
Perfectly working genitals? You can’t be serious??