Hi, my wife decided to create a new email for our newborn daughter which my wife would use to send updates to our relatives about what is going on in our daughter life. My wife is using gmail, I do use proton. She has created a new gmail account but I have asked her to reconsider and to create a new account on proton privacy wise. What arguments would you use for my case? Thanks.
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You’re broadcasting to family who will likely be using gmail, so what difference does it make? Google will get all the emails either way. Anyway, logical argumentation is completely useless in a personal situation like that.
If you want the address to be stable in the long term, you should probably use your own domain name instead of gmail or proton, if you’re not already doing that. After that, it’s possible to switch the hosting without changing the email address.
The only sane answer in this whole thread.
i see that years or decades of frustration in the face of “i have nothing to hide” comes off as insanity to you :/
This is just called actually understanding your threat model and fully evaluating the controls available to you. Basic information security.
The most secure password policy in the world doesn’t matter if your users just write them down on sticky notes on their desks. Security on your end doesn’t matter if you’re sending the data to an insecure destination.
Same concepts apply to privacy.
m’kay
A newborn doesn’t need an email address
yeah but we think it’s nice to send the updates to family from her email, not from ours.
The problem isnt gmail, the problem is using an email for this purpose. Switching to protonmail wont make a difference. If you want privacy, use a different communications protocol. For example, use signal, and if anyone wants baby updates, they better install it too, cause thats the only way you’ll send them.
Id have been so pissed if my parents had destroyed any hope of privacy before i could tell them how fucked up that is. Your child didnt consent to letting google read about its life and see its pictures.
Whats her issue with using proton? It has all the features of google plus your setting ur kid up with a private ecosystem that will make them one of the very few who may have any hope of digital privacy in the future.
Could also just show her this comment chain where she can learn from us armchair experts.
the pejorative “armchair expert” wouldn’t apply here as the fieldwork is essentially chair based.
:)
Shit hes right
Your daughter’s Google account can be closed without appeal. All the memories gone. This less likely to happen using Proton or Tuta.
I would just tell her that you should really not ever “create an account for your newborn child” who may not want their whole childhood documented on the internet forever later on in their life.
For all you know they may not turn out to keep being your daughter forever. It’s kind of a gross overstepping of parental boundaries and something that should be left for them to decide.
This doesn’t mean you can’t keep records in case they want them in the future but as someone that grew up well before all this social media stuff it sort of terrifies me regarding the privacy and agency of younger generations.
Makes me glad I have always been extremely averse to having any sort of photos of me or any of my personal information anywhere online that I did not post till well into my 30s.
Do with this information what you will but I had that boundary crossed just with photos and such shared around way before I had any way to consent to it and some aspects still make me feel violated to this day and there is nothing I can do about it.
It’s an email account, not social media so I think this is a ridiculous take. It’s inherently private and only shared with people you explicitly send it to, such as family.
For all you know they may not turn out to keep being your daughter forever. It’s kind of a gross overstepping of parental boundaries
Such a shoehorned, irrelevant point that won’t apply to 99% of the population. This sounds like a you problem that you’re projecting onto others, and it’s honestly rude to say that it’s a gross overstepping of parental boundaries.
Well, unless you convert everyone else to proton or similar services, you’re kinda screwed on the privacy end of things already. I mean, it’s better than nothing, I guess, but it’s you’re sending to addresses that aren’t privacy friendly, it’s still exposed on the recipient’s end.
Not worth arguing about on that level.
Now, if the account is actually going to be the kid’s some day, that’s different. You can make the point of making sure that their first account with an “all in one” provider be with a service that’s a better “business neighbor” for all the associated services. Keep the Google account for the very few things that can’t be avoided, but shift primary usage of email, password management, etc to the less obnoxious service provider because they’re a better service rather than arguing about practically non existent privacy in email.
Google looks. Google reports. Even if you did nothing wrong you’re guilty until you prove innocent and even then you’ll never get your account back.
“arguments” alone don’t suffice.
a demonstration of how easy it is to use proton drive (to share videos and millions of photos she’s going to dump on relatives who are barely interested in seeing another baby photo) and protonMail would be more convincing.
Privacy interfaces have evolved to be attractive to lambda users.
when it comes to your wife uploading your daughters photographs to google servers, she can’t decide alone: you share the authority (but would this argument matter in a marriage? No?
would having a protonMail matter if the photographs are attachments and recipients have gmail? No.
good luck. Not an easy task
I don’t get the whole email thing, people are already doing that stuff on Facebook and your relatives are probably there too.
And someone in your family at some point will take a picture of your kid and put it up on whatever the social media of choice is.
Why not use the emails you guys already have? I don’t think I or even you guys would want to use an email created by parents, since the username might not even be something they would have chosen for themselves.
Let them have an email when they are old enough to create their own. Use something like simplelogin maybe instead for an alias email instead that still comes to your email but looks separate for relatives it is sent to? I wouldn’t want a premaid email account of my own before I was old enough.