• ☭ Blursty ☭@lemmygrad.ml
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    How come people here are taking AP News at face value? It starts with “LONDON (AP) — Russia on Monday…”

    You know you’re not getting the straight story here, don’t you?

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    Why is Russia allowed to hold the world hostage? Who right do they have to starve people in other countries?

    Every nation should kick Russians out, block their accounts, and sanction Russia.

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      Every nation should kick Russians out, block their accounts,

      The Russian people are not making these decisions. Moreover, those who have left Russia are probably among the least likely to support Russia anyway.

      What good comes from attacking the people of a country because you disagree with the leadership of the country? This is the same disgusting rhetoric used in the USA after 9/11 where there were widespread calls to kick out ALL Muslims and people from the middle east.

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        Something around 80 percent of russians actually support Russian imperialistic goals. You can’t exactly pity them at this point. The protests were almost non existant in Russia.

        Even if Putin drops down tommorow, it’s likely that the whole Russia expansion desire remains. Shit even Navalny doesn’t want to drop occupied Georgia.

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          Those polls you got your source from are actually polls done by state-run polling facilities. of course poeple are going to say what the state wants to hear. here’s a video on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uQCNjIHeqU

          Btw, by saying that “80% of Russians support this war”, you’re spreading Russian state propaganda.

          And of course protests in Russia died down, people get jailed for like 10-15 years in prison if they protest, so by fear of getting jailed, protestors stop. it isn’t pretty but it’s how the system works.

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            These stats are more or less what is reported in my country. Can’t fact check everything, since it’s more or less the first time it got some shade. Most pro-russian populus here also support Putin and find Ukrainians as nazis, so this didn’t seem far fetched.

            Seeing different level of protests in Russia (against the war) and in Belarus (against Lukashenko) does show that participation was/is quite little. Even before the war, there were larger protests after Navalny.

            There were a few Russians I can deeply respect and can call good russians, but they are the minority sadly. For example Ruslan Zizin.

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        People are sanctioned, people are unhappy, people protest their government that allowed it to happen. It’s how you put pressure on the leadership of a country. How else would you solve this? You can’t force Russia’s hand in this, but you can make the situation for their people uncomfortable.

        The alternative would be to say “Russia pls open the grain corridor again” and I think you can imagine their response.

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          People are sanctioned, people are unhappy, people protest their government that allowed it to happen. It’s how you put pressure on the leadership of a country.

          This doesn’t follow. First of all, no change happens internally in the USA despite its own citizens complaining of material conditions; so to say that people being unhappy and protesting necessarily leads to change is false. Second, every other sentence people say about Russia is calling it “authoritarian”, “dictatorship”, etc: you can’t simultaneously pretend its an authoritarian dictatorship and also that the people protesting have any say in its trajectory.

          You can’t force Russia’s hand in this, but you can make the situation for their people uncomfortable.

          Which is just wrong. You’re making the everyday civilian uncomfortable. You aren’t doing anything against those who actually make decisions. Instead you’re punishing someone for their nationality, or where they were born or choose to live. It’s punishment for something they didn’t do and it’s not constructive.

          The alternative would be to say “Russia pls open the grain corridor again” and I think you can imagine their response.

          Sure, I understand that you’re saying Russia isn’t going to just cooperate with requests. But it’s also not going to be any more likely to cooperate because you’ve made the lives of their citizens, or people of Russian ethnicity living on foreign soil, any harder.

          In the end this just punishes innocent people and does nothing to achieve the stated goal.

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        Because the only way to force change in a country, is to push it’s people to make that change. It mught not be pretty, but it’s reality.

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          You can’t simultaneously call Russia an authoritarian dictatorship and say that its people have the power to change the country’s trajectory.

          Because the only way to force change in a country, is to push it’s people to make that change.

          The correct way to say this is: “the only way to force change in a country, is to push the people who can make change to make that change”.

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    If we haven’t already, all foreign assets of Putin and all Russian leadership and oligarchs need to be seized immediately. Unless the pain is felt by those with power nothing will change.

    There are also a number of Western companies still operating in Russia. That needs to change.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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      Russian economy is basically independent of the west at this point, there’s no economic leverage left that the west can exercise.

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    It doesnt matter what russia says or does in this regard. What is important is if Turkey sticks with it and provides protection for those ships or not.

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    If the US would start dialogue with China it might actually stand a chance of taking on Russia and winning without destabilizing the region. Direct US intervention in the region would be akin to Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan: it would serve to destabilize the region.

    The US will never consider this because it prefers a weak Russia to a strong China.

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    I believe this is because the EU didn’t fulfill their part of the deal to allow for Russian fertilizer exports. And most of the Ukrainian grain was being exported to developed countries, which wasn’t the intent of the deal. This reporting doesn’t reflect all of the facts on why the deal failed. It’s not the Russians being evil.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    After the Grain Deal was struck, Western Europe became the top importer of Ukrainian grain, and a negligible amount of it ended up feeding the “Millions of hungry people around the world”. The bulk of the African, Asian, and Global South countries, rely on Russian grain and not the Ukrainian. This does not affect global food security. Perhaps correct the title to not spread misinformation?